From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A better UI than perform-replace Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:46:12 -0500 Message-ID: References: <56480D6C.2080408@yandex.ru> <876112xj2i.fsf@gmail.com> <87vb90yum7.fsf@mail.linkov.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6bc38d25c460524e424de X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447937182 2174 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2015 12:46:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Oleh Krehel , emacs-devel To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 19 13:46:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzObT-0003Ng-4P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:46:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41269 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzObS-000491-D1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:46:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47716) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzObO-00048u-Rs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:46:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzObN-00071K-TM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:46:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22b]:35355) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzObN-000715-N7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:46:13 -0500 Original-Received: by pacej9 with SMTP id ej9so80429549pac.2 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 04:46:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=1uHs1yJyll/4cNxdp5KWYtJpP+wtZGE0wRScFw/6rrQ=; b=nJEIn/ndpOxRl1GCU3/AY7SXOuLAaJgysrxpmbk+oGiw+wtmoxrMhqHVBnMNvyQSFl 0Us5zUQJ/d9d9xeSipeIim/EB/TowJXCzZ5WYSXQ/tJJMFJF7VXMxbP6cnG2WHoIdmty aphYR2DHwM5Yv4TY7XlRL07GYLSXMzgUwCSJS+//+DSTwSutOuuZUvfrL76jpWRMxVGb rW9iW1y/BaoqgPG990tFghhF2IJ1jfYMLbjZVx4w/qS3o6xCdFa2TgjNROfTN1EQ79RA KvPMNKHtWLZLt9HzjxD2PN8LwE+VCw+20taIuN5rO5OsJzayraZNSa4V6C740EcLGtYx YcRA== X-Received: by 10.66.168.171 with SMTP id zx11mr10227078pab.125.1447937172460; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 04:46:12 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.66.84.35 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 04:46:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87vb90yum7.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: yxUy4UZWxlZbG9mwejUTV-bwdHE X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194782 Archived-At: --047d7bd6bc38d25c460524e424de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Juri Linkov wrote: > > - No good way to pause the replacement procedure. > > C-r enters recursive edit (C-M-c to get out again). > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: > > - No good way to pause the replacement procedure. > > You can use C-r to enter recusive edit. > I am not a power users. It would never occurr to me that the solution of a common UI use case would be an invocation of modal behavior. Recursive editing is noobie unfriendly. It is not particularly discoverable. It requires maintaining a more complex mental model of the editor's state while performing the rename. And it requires more key strokes than direct support. /john --047d7bd6bc38d25c460524e424de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --047d7bd6bc38d25c460524e424de--