From: John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org>
To: Matthew Plant <maplant2@illinois.edu>
Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs as WM
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:51:51 -0400 [thread overview]
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Personally I regularly have the opposite itch: wanting to replace emacs's
frustrating window management with an external tiling WM (in my case
awesome).
/john
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Matthew Plant <maplant2@illinois.edu> wrote:
> I was curious about what people on this list thought about application
> embedding in Emacs. To a degree this is already supported with ansi
> term, but this obviously doesn't extend to GUI applications. For those
> of you familiar with Plan 9, think of how programs use the window the
> terminal they're launched in; embedding GUI apps in Emacs would force
> the program to run in a window owned by Emacs and fitted into a buffer.
>
> The reason why I bring this up is because it would be relatively easy to
> do in a way that's not very platform agnostic. It's really easy to
> replace the X libarary (forgive me for not using proper nomenclature;
> it'd lengthen this email tenfold) window creation functions with one
> that extends contol over the window. The degree of integration can be
> controlled by the number of replaced functions. If drawn text wants to
> be handled specially, those functions would be replaced. Some method can
> be specified for switching between emacs and the application controlling
> user input.
>
> This has some obvious advantages; for one, Emacs automatically subsumes
> all editors, including more WYSIWYG editors. Not only that, but Emacs
> essentially becomes a window manager, which I personally would
> love. Because some apps, particular web browsers, do not always require
> special handling of the keyboard, switching between regular Emacs
> buffers and the special app buffers would be generally seamless. I could
> imagine myself typing away in one Emacs buffer, momentarily moving to
> the mouse to click throught some online doxygen in my web browser in the
> buffer to the right.
>
> There are also a lot of disadvantages to this. For one, the applications
> would be pretty buggy without some effort to re-implement X
> functions. Also, my co-worker points out that this would be incongrous
> with the current capabilities of Emacs, one of which is the easy
> transfer of text betwixt buffers. Getting these two features to work
> harmoniously would be kind of difficult; lots of wrappers to
> X/Gnome/whatever text writing functions would have to be made. However,
> copy and paste would work (I'm guessing) out of the box.
>
> I suppose it all boils down to what people want with the future of
> Emacs. Personally, I would love to turn on my computer and have Emacs be
> there every step of the way. I genuinely think that Emacs is a great
> full interface to an OS. It is not a full OS however and never should
> be, which is why I like this idea as an in-between.
>
> -M
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-08-08 20:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-08 20:35 Emacs as WM Matthew Plant
2014-08-08 20:51 ` John Yates [this message]
2014-08-08 23:04 ` Feng Shu
2014-08-11 8:19 ` Samuel El-Borai
2014-08-08 22:49 ` joakim
2014-08-11 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-11 7:33 ` document sharing (was Re: Emacs as WM) Nic Ferrier
2014-08-11 14:36 ` Emacs as WM Stefan Monnier
2014-08-12 3:15 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-12 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-13 3:58 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-13 12:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-13 22:48 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-14 2:43 ` Matthew Plant
2014-08-15 1:03 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-15 2:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-15 17:48 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-15 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-16 2:19 ` Matthew Plant
2014-08-16 3:06 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-17 14:47 ` Ashton Kemerling
2014-08-18 1:07 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-18 2:39 ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-18 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-18 20:13 ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-18 20:54 ` Glenn Morris
2014-08-19 1:04 ` Ashton Kemerling
2014-08-19 2:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-19 4:56 ` Ashton Kemerling
2014-08-19 5:58 ` Tom
2014-08-19 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-19 15:21 ` Tom
2014-08-19 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-19 15:48 ` David Kastrup
2014-08-19 13:09 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-20 1:55 ` Alexis
2014-08-20 2:16 ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-21 2:41 ` Richard Stallman
2014-08-21 2:59 ` andres.ramirez
2014-08-21 6:15 ` Matthew Plant
2014-08-22 9:48 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-08-21 20:33 ` Josh
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