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From: John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org>
To: raman <raman@google.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 18:57:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJnXXohTZGj+x09pXVJiRHTDg05DhDk7df_tRQXzZJaWR0Cp-A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p917eziakql.fsf@raman-glaptop2>

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On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 1:42 PM, raman <raman@google.com> wrote:
>
> There are many things that Git lets you do that are at the power-user
> end of the spectrum --- an
d magit actually makes those doable, whereas
> the git commandline would never encourage  you to venture even close.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that because Magit is so compelling I
use it to induce susceptible colleagues to try emacs. Let me elaborate.

I work at a company that is trying to up its software engineering
practices.  An important part of that effort is mandating code reviews.
That alone though does not result in particularly useful reviews or
feedback.  The main obstacle is that developers work until a task is
complete and then submit all of their changes as a single, overwhelming
review request.

There are developers within the company who are familiar with patch
series culture as exemplified by the Gnu/Linux kernel.  Others, though
having no first hand experience, understand the ideas and acknowledge
that offering code for review as a well groomed patch series would be
a big improvement.  The problem is that in the real world code never
gets designed / authored / debugged such that it emerges naturally as
an intelligible, coherent patch series.  It takes real work to extract
such a series.  And of course most developers have absolutely no idea
idea how they would go about turning a workspace or even a chaotic
series of incremental commits into such a series.

That is where Magit shines.  It allows one to move arbitrary chunks
of code forward and back among a sequence of commits.  As such it
gives a developer a concrete visualization of the emerging commits
and their contents.  Nor is one restricted to moving hunks identified
by a diff tool.  In Magit a chunk can just as easily be an arbitrary
marked region.

When I demo Magit for my colleagues they immediately get excited.
It makes it clear that fostering a patch series culture need not be
a pipe dream.

To date I am unaware of any other tool on any platform offering
similar functionality.

Were an emacs user to ask me to suggest a package (s)he should use
to interact with git I would always plug Magit.  Not that I would
discourage learning VC.  Clearly (as Raman has explained) VC has a
role.  Magit though alters how one thinks about presenting one's
coding efforts to the greater world.

/john​

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Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-05 15:29 In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) John Yates
2017-07-05 16:15 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-05 16:22 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Óscar Fuentes
2017-07-05 16:27   ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-05 16:38   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-05 18:15     ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-07-05 23:03   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06  0:24     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-06  1:46       ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-06  2:17         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-10  9:26           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06  2:29         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-14 14:34       ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-07-16  1:51         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06  1:50     ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-06 14:12       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-06 14:47         ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-06 17:11         ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-07-06 16:02       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06 16:52         ` Ken Manheimer
2017-07-07 18:23           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-07 18:49             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-07 22:08             ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-07 22:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-08  6:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08  6:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08  9:05                 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-08 10:20                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 20:34                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-09  2:33                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-10  9:28                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 13:15                         ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-11 11:45                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 17:04                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 20:52                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-10  9:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 17:02                 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10  9:26               ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 12:47                 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-10 23:26                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11  9:40                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-11 22:56                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 23:27                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 16:31                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-10 23:30                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11  4:20                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-11 11:48                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-06 23:01         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-07 18:27           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-07 18:52             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-08 17:01               ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 17:42                 ` raman
2017-07-08 18:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 20:57                   ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-08 22:57                   ` John Yates [this message]
2017-07-09  0:04                     ` raman
2017-07-09  9:25                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-09 14:19                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-10  1:01                     ` In defense of VC [was: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit] Juliusz Chroboczek
2017-07-10  7:09                       ` Michael Albinus
2017-07-10  8:34                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-07-10  8:47                           ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2017-07-10  8:59                             ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-10 16:28                               ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-10 17:12                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-16 18:01                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-16 19:09                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-16 19:17                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-10 23:26                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11  4:15                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-11 11:48                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 14:10                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-11 14:27                               ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2017-07-11 22:56                               ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 14:37                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-11 16:03                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-11  7:10                         ` Andreas Schwab
2017-07-11  7:26                           ` Michael Albinus
2017-07-11 22:55                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10  9:29                     ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 16:32                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-10 23:30                         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11  4:14                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-07-06 15:24     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-10  9:26       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 13:09         ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-11 11:45           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-05 16:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-05 18:37   ` Ingo Lohmar
2017-07-05 18:14 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) Noam Postavsky
2017-07-06  5:06   ` Paul Michael Reilly
2017-07-06  8:46     ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Toon Claes
2017-07-07  1:38       ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-07-07  8:16         ` Trying out GitLab (was Re: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit) Nicolas Petton
2017-07-07  8:27           ` Tino Calancha
2017-07-07  8:29             ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-07 12:08               ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-08 11:02                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-07-08 11:13                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-08 11:53                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 12:04                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-08 21:02                         ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-08 23:19                           ` Tim Cross
2017-07-08 12:43                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2017-07-08 12:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08 11:29                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-07 16:55             ` Mike Gerwitz
2017-07-07 18:23       ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Richard Stallman
2017-07-07 18:23     ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 16:13   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-14  1:20     ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-14 18:24       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-14  3:31     ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit Stefan Monnier
2017-07-14 18:09       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-14  7:14     ` git-handler.el (was: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit) Michael Albinus
2017-07-14 17:57       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-11 10:26         ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 10:48           ` git-handler.el Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-12 12:01             ` git-handler.el Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-12 17:26               ` git-handler.el Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-12 17:43                 ` git-handler.el Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-12 19:32                 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 18:22             ` git-handler.el John Wiegley
2017-08-12 18:28               ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 19:52               ` git-handler.el Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-13  9:26                 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 19:17             ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-12 19:46               ` git-handler.el Yuri Khan
2017-08-13  9:14                 ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-13 10:08                   ` git-handler.el Yuri Khan
2017-08-13 14:31                     ` git-handler.el Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-13 15:08                       ` git-handler.el Yuri Khan
2017-08-13 15:26                         ` git-handler.el Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 16:42                         ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-08-14 16:40                     ` git-handler.el Michael Albinus
2017-07-10 16:16 ` In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) Filipe Silva

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