From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:14 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83vbzkcx20.fsf@gnu.org> <83d2lrczi7.fsf@gnu.org> <8338mmcsd9.fsf@gnu.org> <83txf1blf2.fsf@gnu.org> <87txf133yd.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <83r4a5bj5x.fsf@gnu.org> <87mwktdy6r.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83iovhb0ez.fsf@gnu.org> <87k3fxdpmg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837gbwbcsx.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2lnevq7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83y54bak6p.fsf@gnu.org> <878uwbej8i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb70b2e85cd7204ec163638 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385480067 30300 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2013 15:34:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , ttn@gnuvola.org, Emacs developers To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 26 16:34:31 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VlKej-0002id-Rx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 16:34:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59327 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlKej-0005Ho-Ce for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55740) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlKec-0005Ej-Vb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlKeb-0002mr-TG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x231.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::231]:65191) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlKeW-0002lS-5M; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:16 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id cc10so5860114wib.16 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:34:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OP9irYOgtRTBAit6+jPrT34NDIAUdmLvMqcgPNLRoJM=; b=KMbBYIFb63+wAG0cMZYjMo0GSMEv+PJfdGsnJs1a6KPwlDRzzlVbenrOPxA5Ssc7/6 4cr9BZAE+5uVv3ceA77g6CTAIxqU2Kcx8CV2R8L7LxpDNJInHYzgYyHAFLoSyu+chcE8 GThfdidixrJc6lyPfdtAHNHhnSOtaUAOHdT+x9HFXIgF/zMxcs6OnbYG6w9rA+WMEWwI dbY0xtGfbH2cZn7jwuczAK/ZTsLbmLy+xiDgwtRbfHZ9yJ1bsPMjXUrYIyhG4FNBes+4 DUSatQcPcYK/Z3NukOCTCNfxrNHwUs1c+26/CG8H8VwISd0Jbzew/LpWSkX41t2Xv6fA Vdug== X-Received: by 10.194.192.233 with SMTP id hj9mr601514wjc.78.1385480055015; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:34:15 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.201.195 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 07:34:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <878uwbej8i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Google-Sender-Auth: QBDUv7kI9zsg5cVYlZrhWoyFQ0M X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165762 Archived-At: --047d7bb70b2e85cd7204ec163638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: But having an > additional level of indirection (which is being called "style" in this > thread) is going to be very useful in organizing these things. > Another form of indirection would be to allow abstract mark-up. In the context of today's face model it would be nice to be able to mark a span with an abstract property or face (e.g. emphasis) without binding it immediately to concrete face attributes. Presumably there would be a defined search through a document's structure and its associated styles for mapping such abstract markup to concrete face attributes. My hope would be that pasting into a separate document text with abstract markup might be a bit less fraught than the horrors alluded to previously. /john --047d7bb70b2e85cd7204ec163638 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= ue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org&= gt; wrote:

But having an
additional level of indirection (which is being called "style" in= this
thread) is going to be very useful in organizing these things.

Another form of indirection would be to allow abstract mark= -up. =A0In the context of today's face model it would be nice to be abl= e to mark a span with an abstract property or face (e.g. emphasis) without = binding it immediately to concrete face attributes. =A0Presumably there wou= ld be a defined search through a document's structure and its associate= d styles for mapping such abstract markup to concrete face attributes.

My hope wou= ld be that pasting into a separate document=A0text with abstract markup=A0m= ight be a bit less fraught than the horrors alluded to previously.

/john
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