From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:01:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <87iovo4caz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <877gc14vzs.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <878uwhxnqe.fsf@informatimago.com> <83txf4cw9z.fsf@gnu.org> <528F77B8.9090602@lanl.gov> <83ob5ccoct.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c387e0e1462504ebc8a3cf X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385146888 6255 80.91.229.3 (22 Nov 2013 19:01:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pjb@informatimago.com, Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 22 20:01:34 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjvys-0007Kk-Br for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:01:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40617 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjvys-0001wz-1i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:01:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43731) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjvyo-0001wa-8m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:01:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjvyn-0006pl-5j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:01:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::232]:59418) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjvyl-0006oq-BA; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:01:23 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u56so1532595wes.37 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:01:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jXd7TMKI73I7s1Tf57tISiZcSKF+qUVU2Gza41spyEA=; b=UhA+3neycKQkK9kw4uo1qLV05lDOzI6k7N6VaCvhO3rlxSFY68n0ngJppaDfauIm7x tDZA/gSdgInKF6X3hTyQZab03bTOP3l/6nH6Pwa+NgwSCXP/RjbnIXqfeBLuh3Ep536v YnQyaPimYS9lLXUw5sQDchDWATLpJsQsY51LZB8Oi1BFUKz4R4hwRXccPlYsUFg2V/QN w83rq7N3n1HqYV2ZnLV7VC0oSZWWE36CnxIbf7jAb3JGuNcZ8rWVOP/o9WXFgAky4taR QqstPuN+zs8XnVY5BVVndHgUkwQSbKKAmvZN9y27mZVYfHJdfqERnIGJ8ow2jZ8zQPPv YM0A== X-Received: by 10.180.208.4 with SMTP id ma4mr3771774wic.43.1385146882277; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:01:22 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.201.195 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:01:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83ob5ccoct.fsf@gnu.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: gn4BZK7jxMQHCkRAKniDUuIfO3Q X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165574 Archived-At: --001a11c387e0e1462504ebc8a3cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Which is exactly the problem many users have with styles. So IMO we > shouldn't repeat those UI mistakes in Emacs, and keep these separated. > Eli, Please elaborate. How do you see a user setting up a list structure indented w.r.t. its surrounding context. How would that user proceed to change the indentation? Change for a bullet list to numbered? What if there are multiple such lists through the document and the user would like to keep their appearance consistent? /john --001a11c387e0e1462504ebc8a3cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On F= ri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrot= e:
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Which is exactly the problem m= any users have with styles. =A0So IMO we
shouldn't repeat those UI mistakes in Emacs, and keep these separated.<= br>

Eli,

Please el= aborate. =A0How do you see a user setting up a list structure indented w.r.= t. its surrounding context. =A0How would that user proceed to change the in= dentation? =A0Change for a bullet list to numbered? =A0What if there are mu= ltiple such lists through the document and the user would like to keep thei= r appearance consistent?

/john
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