Sorry, but I think the emacs documentation IS hard for a beginner like me. - At the very beginning, I didn't know where to search ! I was navigating through pages an pages, and the more I read, the more I had to read. - There is no "how to", whereas that's what people want nowadays. I don't want to spend time reading and understanding how emacs works, through pages of documentation (even if it is well written) ! I want to be told how to do what I want. - The online manual is ugly... HTML is cool, but a little bit of CSS would improve the manual a lot. 2012/6/24 rusi > On Jun 24, 7:39 am, ken wrote: > > > 5. Make the elisp documentation and tutorials so easy and fun to learn > > that tons of people actually want to write code. > > When I first started reading the emacs/elisp docs around 93 I found > them a model of clarity. > Has that changed much? I dont think so > > Whats changed? The fact that we are in 2012. > In those days it was completely natural to expect that somebody who > used a computer read a manual > Today thats a strange requirement to say the least. > > Would a modern kid using a new phone/car expect to read a manual? The > fact is they dont (whereas oldies like me struggle to find them :-) ) > > And so you give them emacs along with a manual and they look at you > funny. > > By chance they look inside and they find: > - there's a key called Meta? Whazzat? > - C-p and C-n do up and down? Really?! (and whatever is C- ?) > - And when you tell them arrow keys work just fine they are ready with > a lock and key to put you away somewhere > > tl;dr version: Saying that emacs manuals are not fun and easy to learn > is wrong. Its just that reading them feels like 1980 >