From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Corwin Brust Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: which-key Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:26:03 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87v8pn4968.fsf@posteo.net> <87r10b465q.fsf@posteo.net> <87mtaz44ka.fsf@posteo.net> <87o7ve19uc.fsf@no.workgroup> <4d68c253fc1fefadc2a9@heytings.org> <87fsgpt4ze.fsf@yahoo.com> <4d68c253fc329a23c1f5@heytings.org> <87leqh6lic.fsf@gnus.org> <4d68c253fc5189620299@heytings.org> <87h713yefz.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37801"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Monnier , Po Lu , Philip Kaludercic , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 19 15:29:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oaGpl-0009dv-Lr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 15:29:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33730 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaGpk-0008Ud-OW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:29:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51288) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaGn8-0005ta-R0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:26:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi1-f178.google.com ([209.85.167.178]:39464) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaGn4-0007bP-RX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 09:26:29 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi1-f178.google.com with SMTP id m130so14588559oif.6 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 06:26:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=L9xEoEmMBBp4zxh1guFX6x2+NUxJa12zPen8XUdp0Ck=; b=d5dwznQMVhNYxP0ldue0URKZfCGMRggNmK8R6HfpYGcwNtcWP4Id7jMK+E2INE8QJc H60JKWQBiOv/ikF0mEw/5oWAXfb31CXnlISXjaFHBDGsELB/sab/JtQnrqGG9laaDKsM ZaPD2teKc3C4ASUVdkjQ1eUWWIyVDLfjBQuJ7DZPEMNL2oZj7YInlclZRwDE0WRJbFed OrE1CCVsRZTrsuxntLKTTyumh0+fdKy6rRm2LLKKGGWyNLG9S0IcN0oJtqWZKjNwvFAc hN7Ue4aRD+h8bCHZLerhDCl0SM3S09uxKUVNfpAp+ab1ft5IPjQXOyrK8JJnyar2LHWg +BdA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1uhmtPeeGWsC27cFMOgQXUSUkDd50W7Z4Ev5LQ8uuB/DcVpB6J E7tEGMiz+Ikpu2cEM+jyz84z77a4q0VQEIhP7zQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7NAGzoLmOFgW9MjJvGvuJpsPh4WyRTWO/B/6UaSsgojVl6Uy2IpCLa8khP/4PeQuveok/FP/E3YvMvx5tJLVM= X-Received: by 2002:aca:eb43:0:b0:34f:e2b0:1834 with SMTP id j64-20020acaeb43000000b0034fe2b01834mr7588544oih.279.1663593975157; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 06:26:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.167.178; envelope-from=mplscorwin@gmail.com; helo=mail-oi1-f178.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295694 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 3:19 AM Gregory Heytings wrote: > > > > I just think it would be distracting. > > > > Okay, a status quo is fine with me, too. FWIW, I would expect any change that materially helps new users by adding "clues" of how to find things will require some express action (e.g. by veteran users) to disable. Finding ways to help newer users that more experienced users won't notice (or won't mind) seems like a very tall order.