From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Corwin Brust Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Beyond Kind Communication Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 23:24:16 -0600 Message-ID: References: <83a6vu8p12.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnyvtbmv.fsf@zoho.eu> <87o8k7tast.fsf@zoho.eu> <87d00nta8e.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7407"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emanuel Berg , Help Gnu Emacs mailing list Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 09 06:24:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kbzfe-0001ov-Mt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 06:24:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58934 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbzfd-0008RY-JP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 00:24:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33510) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbzfK-0008R7-Kp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 00:24:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-f48.google.com ([209.85.218.48]:43951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbzfI-00013r-Tw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 00:24:30 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-f48.google.com with SMTP id me8so977858ejb.10 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 21:24:27 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0j3JYLxcJbMM8b9wFRsbPFTTgUTKjIUO3NOKSu0/dVo=; b=j0TA5wU0jbmljn61tlrK7MlOglJl8vKej/sReeXMYvTu8IT9x6TpapRDukocB0Zfb1 Nan3B6P7SWFecZkeRJfsCh4O/ZtTDzwOf+dJD0W/frS2oUf3ykArf8i2ypD/urBKf1CC kG/AICHn3/rSfu5Tk+JCHzP8G/JVyM32v+6/MQC/jksbBuc2iZO5KbKWa6+WWb0MEy5w emcWlrfoiZ0eiohnIjfazc2lAKK1zCvbHWHa71+AU4O5iPgzOZ/eP4iCdwXsXjbc4nsI 0g23FDJfMdPyZyYLRbUMcffFKTTVDXtutBvHzcArvXi/B5iy7HEJHY534fjQ4hAbTL9f 3YOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5332N/5dZEzlLhtu/ORDNDNPo+4UxeUhM2p12sGc7Fnv7mABSoiy W1ePRvZ1c/DpnhmnsUGioGFdUAqReXBlvzydyvQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyXHFm6rWZ+NzLOx8I/zzXKHkfQoGbqBjsR9Z3ChQzRAWvWc/wA3JnwhXfTxkcWVQjF3B0DV4+RyCCII93trpg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3a49:: with SMTP id a9mr13621023ejf.95.1604899466626; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 21:24:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87d00nta8e.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.218.48; envelope-from=mplscorwin@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-f48.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/09 00:24:26 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125118 Archived-At: In the spirit of open communication.. On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 10:39 PM Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote: > (setq clueless-online-faculty '(eli-zaretskii)) Other than hoping to score points with people who are frustrated by our maintainer, what do you hope to gain by this display? I must assume you cannot believe your technical points, whether already raised or forthcoming, will be given more weight after you reply to yourself three times in an hour, ending with the above. Will you please tell us what you hope to achieve? Is it your thought that Eli will offer to resign again? I hope that doesn't happen. I hope that, as I have seen in the past, Eli will adjust his style and approach based on the well-meaning and considered inputs given to him by those who care foir Emacs and our community. Will you please show some of that care, here? I would like to know, apart from your technical points, what virtue you see in sending such as these messages to us all. If hope that if you will take the trouble to engage in a conversation about your frustrations and hopes (as seperation from your specific technical asparations) we can yet all learn something. FWIW, I will read your messages whether you are rude to me or not, so go ahead and say what you wish. I'd like to find an opportunity from this cluster-fuck of a "contribution". In curiousity, Corwin "It is not enough to be Hungarian. You must also have talent." -Steven Brust