Add community resources to further-information.html

Add community resources to further-information.html

[Stefan Kangas]

I would like to suggest listing some interesting community resources
on the "Further information" page on the Emacs website.

How about something like the below patch?

--- further-information.html.~1.3.~    2017-12-12 09:50:51.000000000 +0100
+++ further-information.html    2020-04-13 08:30:39.480406686 +0200
@@ -61,6 +61,21 @@
                         flavors, and ports; and references to other
Emacs related information
                         on the Web.</p>

+                    <h2>The Emacs community</h2>
+                    <p>Emacs has a large and vibrant community. There are too
+                      many community forums, websites, and other resources to
+                      list, so we can only provide a small selection here:</p>
+
+                    <ul>
+                      <li>Sacha Chua maintains a weekly
+                        <a
href="https://sachachua.com/blog/category/emacs/">Emacs news
update</a>.</li>
+                      <li>Planet Emacslife is an aggregate of recent
+                        <a href="https://planet.emacslife.com/">Emacs
blog posts</a>.</li>
+                      <li>There is an
+                        <a href="irc://irc.freenode.not/emacs">#emacs
IRC channel on Freenode</a>.</li>
+                      </li>
+                    </ul>
+
                     <h2>Savannah</h2>
                     <p>The <a
href="http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/emacs">Savannah Emacs
                         page</a> has additional information about
Emacs, including access to

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

Re: Add community resources to further-information.html

[Richard Stallman]

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  > +                      <li>Sacha Chua maintains a weekly
  > +                        <a
  > href="https://sachachua.com/blog/category/emacs/">Emacs news
  > update</a>.</li>
  > +                      <li>Planet Emacslife is an aggregate of recent
  > +                        <a href="https://planet.emacslife.com/">Emacs
  > blog posts</a>.</li>
  > +                      <li>There is an
  > +                        <a href="irc://irc.freenode.not/emacs">#emacs
  > IRC channel on Freenode</a>.</li>
  > +                      </li>
  > +                    </ul>

Would someone like to check that each of those three sites has a
general policy of not promoting nonfree programs (neither applications
nor systems) nor helping people use them?

Helping people use Emacs on a nonfree system or with some well known
nonfree program is ok as an exception.  (See References in GNU Coding
Standards.)
 
-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Re: Add community resources to further-information.html

[Sacha Chua]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

Hello, rms, Stefan, all!

>   > +                      <li>Sacha Chua maintains a weekly
>   > +                        <a
>   > href="https://sachachua.com/blog/category/emacs/">Emacs news
>   > update</a>.</li>
>   > +                      <li>Planet Emacslife is an aggregate of recent
>   > +                        <a href="https://planet.emacslife.com/">Emacs
>   > blog posts</a>.</li>
> Would someone like to check that each of those three sites has a
> general policy of not promoting nonfree programs (neither applications
> nor systems) nor helping people use them?
> Helping people use Emacs on a nonfree system or with some well known
> nonfree program is ok as an exception.  (See References in GNU Coding
> Standards.)

Emacs News gets aggregated into Planet Emacslife, so it's probably okay
not to link to that separately. It's cureently a category of my personal
blog and I haven't had the time to split it out. I have other blog posts
about nonfree programs or systems in my archive, but only my Emacs posts
are included in Planet Emacslife. I also post Emacs News updates to the
emacs-tangents mailing list, which might be a freer option.

Planet Emacslife aggregates a bunch of RSS feeds. In general, I've tried
to limit it to people's Emacs categories, but sometimes people don't
offer category-specific feeds. In that situation, I include their full
feed, so there are also posts unrelated to Emacs. The aggregator lets me
blacklist specific posts, I think. I haven't tried that ability yet, and
I'm not sure I can take on the responsibility of saying it'll never have
a post promoting nonfree programs outside Emacs integrations. Are you
okay with the fact that the aggregator itself doesn't promote nonfree
programs or systems, even if it occasionally includes blog posts from
people writing about stuff they"re interested in?

Stefan, thanks for pinging me and thinkkng of this!

Sacha

Re: Add community resources to further-information.html

[Sacha Chua]

(resending with proper SPF)

Hello, Stefan, rms!

I realized I forgot to cc you in my reply:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-04/msg01243.html

Here's the text of my reply:


Richard Stallman <address@hidden> writes:

Hello, rms, Stefan, all!

>   > +                      <li>Sacha Chua maintains a weekly
>   > +                        <a
>   > href="https://sachachua.com/blog/category/emacs/";>Emacs news
>   > update</a>.</li>
>   > +                      <li>Planet Emacslife is an aggregate of
>   > recent
>   > +                        <a
>   > href="https://planet.emacslife.com/";>Emacs
>   > blog posts</a>.</li>
> Would someone like to check that each of those three sites has a
> general policy of not promoting nonfree programs (neither applications
> nor systems) nor helping people use them?
> Helping people use Emacs on a nonfree system or with some well known
> nonfree program is ok as an exception.  (See References in GNU Coding
> Standards.)

Emacs News gets aggregated into Planet Emacslife, so it's probably okay
not to link to that separately. It's cureently a category of my personal
blog and I haven't had the time to split it out. I have other blog posts
about nonfree programs or systems in my archive, but only my Emacs posts
are included in Planet Emacslife. I also post Emacs News updates to the
emacs-tangents mailing list, which might be a freer option.

Planet Emacslife aggregates a bunch of RSS feeds. In general, I've tried
to limit it to people's Emacs categories, but sometimes people don't
offer category-specific feeds. In that situation, I include their full
feed, so there are also posts unrelated to Emacs. The aggregator lets me
blacklist specific posts, I think. I haven't tried that ability yet, and
I'm not sure I can take on the responsibility of saying it'll never have
a post promoting nonfree programs outside Emacs integrations. Are you
okay with the fact that the aggregator itself doesn't promote nonfree
programs or systems, even if it occasionally includes blog posts from
people writing about stuff they"re interested in?

Stefan, thanks for pinging me and thinkkng of this!

Sacha

-- 
I didnt't cc emacs-devel in this email so that I don't duplicate
content, but you can add it back or reply to the message in the list.
Sorry about that!

Sacha

Re: Add community resources to further-information.html

[Richard Stallman]

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
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It sounds good.  And thanks, Stefan.

Sacha, should we send you the actual polling statement,
or just the URL of a page which has that statement?

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Re: Add community resources to further-information.html

[Sacha Chua]

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On Tue., Apr. 28, 2020, 23:26 Richard Stallman, <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

Sacha, should we send you the actual polling statement,
> or just the URL of a page which has that statement?
>

Just a link will be fine for inclusion in Emacs News. Maybe with a
preferred title or 1-3 line announcement, if you want. Emacs-tangents is a
proper, open mailing list, so someone could post the poll announcement
there as well.

Sacha Chua

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