From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vyacheslav Gonakhchyan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Kickstarter for Emacs Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:14:58 +0400 Message-ID: References: <87wr5dfm9v.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3bb053dadbc304bdf15389 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1334744118 13318 80.91.229.3 (18 Apr 2012 10:15:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 18 12:15:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SKRur-0006e2-Ig for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:15:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55580 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKRuq-0003Pj-LB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:15:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKRuj-0003Ly-37 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:15:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKRue-0007Gg-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:15:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.161.169]:55803) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKRue-0007EE-8n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:15:00 -0400 Original-Received: by ggeq1 with SMTP id q1so4220803gge.0 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 03:14:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=32RYIxVGoPZt6bOpbYIzOjLn0rYnGxd8qGt/1N9b1vs=; b=ai6a5tNmQt2GK/srnsFfSU1qaT3kmtotjSsr50l6BY3zwNotWuBJqpsHqVsTXUXNw6 tgZg/FjDeGzeH1f+Guy4yIDN85dD6TxlKOc7tLTTIGimlGBlFfYuQu8/sC6/EZPzzmJu o6g5IBUp1w639wAwT+uQHk5I1L4QNaria2eudhlc2oS+/JRTqV76HmxHANOh9ODNHR6K GZYHBMuT83ZblSEKsoYtGsDYD4fJqJNx3KUF7pchDynDE5Z7A0kny5Ofg0G9oChOpCSp FD6Ltd/HgWT7GCNc5k8iVuPdNnyg7O0i+p39kGhhj7OHyuo0/TkT7DFLre18WiaKBsrD E/Ow== Original-Received: by 10.50.149.131 with SMTP id ua3mr12346069igb.41.1334744098462; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 03:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.50.190.161 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 03:14:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.161.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149748 Archived-At: --e89a8f3bb053dadbc304bdf15389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, good example. It can fly if it will get enough visibility(perhaps on slashdot). But what about support? Emacs and Java are constantly in development. New version will come out and additional work will be required. Another kickstarter might be a solution, but I don't think that this model is sustainable. On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Tom wrote: > Vyacheslav Gonakhchyan gmail.com> writes: > > > On kickstarter there is a reward system. The point is that you > > can buy final product for a lower price. And then after the > > completion of a project price goes up. That gives people > > motivation to buy early.In emacs the only motivation is that > > you know that the money will go towards completion of certain > > feature. But there are no rewards because emacs is free. So I > > think it won't be as much successful. > > > The reward is your pet feature will finally get implemented in Emacs > and you don't have to use an other editor/IDE for certain tasks. > I think it's a pretty big reward. > > BTW, the coffescript compiler will be released with a BSD license for > free and people are still donating: > > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1182995593/make-a-better-coffeescript-compiler > ? > > > --e89a8f3bb053dadbc304bdf15389 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, good example. It can fly if it will get enough visibility(perhaps on sl= ashdot).
But what about support? Emacs and Java are constantly in develo= pment.
New version will come out and additional work will be required. A= nother kickstarter might be a solution,
but I don't think that this model is sustainable.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Tom <adatgyujto@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Vyacheslav Gonakhchyan <= ;ytriffy <at> gmail.co= m> writes:

> =A0On kickstarter there is a reward system. The point is that you
> can buy final product for a lower price. And then after the
> completion of a project price goes up. =A0That gives people
> motivation to buy early.In emacs the only motivation is that
> you know that the money will go towards completion o= f certain
> feature. But there are no rewards because emacs is free. So I
> think it won't be as much successful.


The reward is your pet feature will finally get implemented in Emacs<= br> and you don't have to use an other editor/IDE for certain tasks.
I think it's a pretty big reward.

BTW, the coffescript compiler will be released with a BSD license for
free and people are still donating:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1= 182995593/make-a-better-coffeescript-compiler?



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