bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Rustom Mody]

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The devanagari-itrans method does not translate the pipe '|' into the
devanagari danda । (unicode 964) but leaves it at | ASCII 0x7c
Note: The devanagari-inscript input method inputs the danda correctly.




In GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.6)
 of 2011-09-10 on spike.0x539.de, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11102901
configured using `configure  '--build' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--build'
'i486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib'
'--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib'
'--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes'
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'build_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g'
'CPPFLAGS=''

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Recent input:
M-x r e p o r t - e m <tab> <return>

Recent messages:
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.

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bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <CAJ+TeocgefqvN3tujnHCpG+Wn_GiZQjdEO2G-jHU+auzaL5QNg@mail.gmail.com>, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> The devanagari-itrans method does not translate the pipe '|' into the
> devanagari danda । (unicode 964) but leaves it at | ASCII 0x7c

Currently , with devanagari-itran, you must type ".."
(double periods) to insert "।".  As I'm not the author of
this input method, I don't if ".." is the standard way to
input "।".  Could you show me a source that tells "|" is the
standard way for "।" in ITRANS?

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Rustom Mody]

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On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> wrote:

> In article <
> CAJ+TeocgefqvN3tujnHCpG+Wn_GiZQjdEO2G-jHU+auzaL5QNg@mail.gmail.com>,
> Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > The devanagari-itrans method does not translate the pipe '|' into the
> > devanagari danda । (unicode 964) but leaves it at | ASCII 0x7c
>
> Currently , with devanagari-itran, you must type ".."
> (double periods) to insert "।".


Thanks! Is there anything for the undatta, anudatta (unicode 951 952, pg 3
of http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0900.pdf )
[For those working with the vedas this is a very commonly occurring letter ]


> As I'm not the author of
> this input method, I don't if ".." is the standard way to
> input "।".  Could you show me a source that tells "|" is the
> standard way for "।" in ITRANS?
>
>
No I dont know.  Its just that the rest of itrans is a natural way to use
an English (Roman) keyboard to input devanagari so I thought the pipe would
naturally become the danda.

Is there any reference on understanding how to write input-methods in
emacs?

Thanks again

Rusi

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bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Rustom Mody]

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On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> wrote:

> In article <
> CAJ+TeocgefqvN3tujnHCpG+Wn_GiZQjdEO2G-jHU+auzaL5QNg@mail.gmail.com>,
> Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > The devanagari-itrans method does not translate the pipe '|' into the
> > devanagari danda । (unicode 964) but leaves it at | ASCII 0x7c
>
> Currently , with devanagari-itran, you must type ".."
> (double periods) to insert "।".  As I'm not the author of
> this input method, I don't if ".." is the standard way to
> input "।".  Could you show me a source that tells "|" is the
> standard way for "।" in ITRANS?
>

I have just tried the itranslator from
http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/itranslator2003.htm#dls

Its a windows program but runs under wine in linux.
It uses the following
. (single) for danda (UCS 964)
.. (double dot) for double danda (965)
\' for udatta (951)
\_ for anudatta (952)
\'' (thats 2 single quotes not (??)

Do you think these can be incorporated?

Thanks

Rusi

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bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Kenichi Handa]

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In article <CAJ+TeofL6HGo76JcV+h2_bR_fWj6m2dQiT8nfL-FBETx8LEa_w@mail.gmail.com>, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> Its a windows program but runs under wine in linux.
> It uses the following
> . (single) for danda (UCS 964)
> .. (double dot) for double danda (965)

Those two are incompatible changes.  Isn't "..." for double
danda acceptable?

> \' for udatta (951)
> \_ for anudatta (952)

They seems ok.

> \'' (thats 2 single quotes not (??)

What do you mean? Typing "\''" inserts "''"?

Please try the attached code by starting Emacs as this is:
% emacs -l dev-itrans-ext.el

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org


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bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Rustom Mody]

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Thanks Kenichi san
All these additions are good and useful to me

There is one related issue (probably in a different area of emacs).
When I enter the udatta or anudatta, an empty space gets created between
the letter and current point.  Just enter \' of \_ alone and you will see
what I mean.

Do you think this calls for another bug report?
[Both in emacs 23 and 24.0.50]

Thanks
Rusi


On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> wrote:

> In article <
> CAJ+TeofL6HGo76JcV+h2_bR_fWj6m2dQiT8nfL-FBETx8LEa_w@mail.gmail.com>,
> Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Its a windows program but runs under wine in linux.
> > It uses the following
> > . (single) for danda (UCS 964)
> > .. (double dot) for double danda (965)
>
> Those two are incompatible changes.  Isn't "..." for double
> danda acceptable?
>
> > \' for udatta (951)
> > \_ for anudatta (952)
>
> They seems ok.
>
> > \'' (thats 2 single quotes not (??)
>
> What do you mean? Typing "\''" inserts "''"?
>
> Please try the attached code by starting Emacs as this is:
> % emacs -l dev-itrans-ext.el
>
> ---
> Kenichi Handa
> handa@m17n.org
>

Thanks

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bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <CAJ+TeodbVmiqR=uW2WKrkDaebGoObPm5VH=j0meAZW2H3xP7dw@mail.gmail.com>, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> All these additions are good and useful to me

As those additions looks like useful for all
devanagari-itrans users, and they are surely harmless, I've
just installed them.

> There is one related issue (probably in a different area of emacs).
> When I enter the udatta or anudatta, an empty space gets created between
> the letter and current point.  Just enter \' of \_ alone and you will see
> what I mean.

I think those spaces are part of the glyphs.  Please move
cursor on it and type C-u C-x =.  What is reported in
*Help* buffer?

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@m17n.org

bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Rustom Mody]

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On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> wrote:

> In article <CAJ+TeodbVmiqR=uW2WKrkDaebGoObPm5VH=
> j0meAZW2H3xP7dw@mail.gmail.com>, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>
> writes:
>
> > All these additions are good and useful to me
>
> As those additions looks like useful for all
> devanagari-itrans users, and they are surely harmless, I've
> just installed them.
>
> > There is one related issue (probably in a different area of emacs).
> > When I enter the udatta or anudatta, an empty space gets created between
> > the letter and current point.  Just enter \' of \_ alone and you will see
> > what I mean.
>
> I think those spaces are part of the glyphs.  Please move
> cursor on it and type C-u C-x =.  What is reported in
> *Help* buffer?
>
> ---
> Kenichi Handa
> handa@m17n.org


        character: ॒ (2386, #o4522, #x952)
preferred charset: unicode (Unicode (ISO10646))
       code point: 0x0952
           syntax: w     which means: word
         category: i:Indian
      buffer code: #xE0 #xA5 #x92
        file code: #xE0 #xA5 #x92
           (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix)
          display: composed to form "॒" (see below)

Composed using this font:
  xft:-unknown-Lohit Maithili-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1
by these glyphs:
  [0 0 9676 172 11 1 10 9 0 nil]
  [0 0 2386 126 12 -8 -1 -1 2 nil]

Character code properties: customize what to show
  name: DEVANAGARI STRESS SIGN ANUDATTA
  general-category: Mn (Mark, Nonspacing)

There are text properties here:
  fontified            t

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bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Stefan Kangas]

Hi Rustom,

Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:

> In article <CAJ+TeodbVmiqR=uW2WKrkDaebGoObPm5VH=j0meAZW2H3xP7dw@mail.gmail.com>, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> All these additions are good and useful to me
>
> As those additions looks like useful for all
> devanagari-itrans users, and they are surely harmless, I've
> just installed them.
>
>> There is one related issue (probably in a different area of emacs).
>> When I enter the udatta or anudatta, an empty space gets created between
>> the letter and current point.  Just enter \' of \_ alone and you will see
>> what I mean.
>
> I think those spaces are part of the glyphs.  Please move
> cursor on it and type C-u C-x =.  What is reported in
> *Help* buffer?

(That was 8 years ago.)

I tried the devangari-itrans method on the current master branch, and
when I enter \' and then \_ I get two characters with no unexpected
whitespace between them.  Although, I don't have the correct font, so I
just see two thin squares.

Are you still seeing this issue on a recent version of Emacs, such as
the recently released version 27.1?

Thanks in advance.

bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Rustom Mody]

\' and \_ seem to be working correctly for udatta and anudatta
emacs 28.0.50 and 25.1.1
Though I dont perhaps have the fonts that I had when reporting the problem

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 8:43 PM Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> wrote:
>
> Hi Rustom,
>
> Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
>
> > In article <CAJ+TeodbVmiqR=uW2WKrkDaebGoObPm5VH=j0meAZW2H3xP7dw@mail.gmail.com>, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> All these additions are good and useful to me
> >
> > As those additions looks like useful for all
> > devanagari-itrans users, and they are surely harmless, I've
> > just installed them.
> >
> >> There is one related issue (probably in a different area of emacs).
> >> When I enter the udatta or anudatta, an empty space gets created between
> >> the letter and current point.  Just enter \' of \_ alone and you will see
> >> what I mean.
> >
> > I think those spaces are part of the glyphs.  Please move
> > cursor on it and type C-u C-x =.  What is reported in
> > *Help* buffer?
>
> (That was 8 years ago.)
>
> I tried the devangari-itrans method on the current master branch, and
> when I enter \' and then \_ I get two characters with no unexpected
> whitespace between them.  Although, I don't have the correct font, so I
> just see two thin squares.
>
> Are you still seeing this issue on a recent version of Emacs, such as
> the recently released version 27.1?
>
> Thanks in advance.



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bug#10935: 23.3; devanagari-itrans method incomplete

[Stefan Kangas]

Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> \' and \_ seem to be working correctly for udatta and anudatta
> emacs 28.0.50 and 25.1.1
> Though I dont perhaps have the fonts that I had when reporting the problem

Thank you.  In the hope that the bug has gone away, I'm therefore
closing this bug report.

If anyone else is seeing this problem with those specific fonts, they
will hopefully open a new bug report or reopen this one.

Thanks for reporting back.