From: Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: "Jürgen Sauermann" <juergen.sauermann@t-online.de>,
emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: APL mode
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 10:08:52 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJ+TeodMOOWVLDt_7p8L=TtCiPHVWpOBTBvA1gTYJXThshKnwQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvmwlwu7z3.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> If there is something fundamentally wrong with this line please let me know
>
> I'm still wondering why a plain old normal well-supported quail
> input-method is not a good solution.
Obviously I know very little about quail -- so consider this as
thoughts for our comments.
In quail you need (as far as I understand) some kind of 'herald'
character like the '\' for tex input method.
In APL programming you need a preponderance of non ASCII characters
Some egs from the apl-keyboard in the code I attached:
The a-key needs to send a and A and ⍺ and ⊖
The g-key needs to send g and G and ∇ ⍒
and so on for most of the keys. [All need to send at least 3, majority
need to send 4]
Using a modifier key like the normal use of shift makes this palatable
Having to use a herald key means having to keep heralding -- a PITA.
The original solution from Juergen was to use xmodmap and use alt as
the modifier key -- quite normal in the APL world.
However with Alt (=M) gone we lose M-p M-n and above all M-x which
makes emacs close to useless
My initial attempts were to figure out xmodmap in order to add (rather
than to replace) one more modifier key. My findings:
1. I could not make head or tail of xmodmap
2. Even if I did it would be a very X-specific solution ie would not
work outside gnu-linux (maybe unix) systems
3. Keyboards are inherently very variable, in particular from 'normal'
desktop to laptop
All these things considered a low-level but inside emacs (rather than
X/OS) solution seems to be most optimal.
Finally, my feeling is that if APL is to regain some popularity (which
it enjoyed 4-5 decades ago), a variety of input methods would be good
-- for different hardware, OSes, usage-profile, tastes. So far I can
see these possibilities:
1. Juergen's xmodmap -- use ESC for Alt
2. David's quail-based one
3. Markus Triska's quail-based one (more tex-like than David's)
4. An intermediate one which I am trying to explore
Will be happy to hear your thoughts and experiences on this
Rusi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-26 4:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-12 4:48 APL mode Rustom Mody
2013-10-12 7:25 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-10-12 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-12 16:09 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-12 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 6:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 6:59 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 11:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 14:04 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 15:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 16:11 ` Ivan Andrus
2013-10-13 12:42 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-13 14:47 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 15:24 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-14 5:00 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 6:45 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14 8:21 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-14 11:08 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-17 18:54 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-17 19:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-20 13:57 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-21 10:46 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-21 13:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-25 19:09 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 1:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-26 4:38 ` Rustom Mody [this message]
2013-10-26 10:35 ` Juergen Sauermann
2013-10-26 11:42 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 15:40 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-26 16:48 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 17:41 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 17:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-27 5:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-27 22:41 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-28 4:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-28 12:21 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-28 12:40 ` Juergen Sauermann
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2013-10-28 17:42 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-28 19:45 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-18 7:06 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 10:40 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-14 17:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-14 19:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-15 3:15 ` Rustom Mody
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2013-10-12 5:01 Rustom Mody
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