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From: Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	"Jürgen Sauermann" <juergen.sauermann@t-online.de>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: APL mode
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:51:22 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJ+Teod1_L8PEHAaPmSjMap1taEY1JoEBHyBajN7XPxY3-iwZA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ppqqt4s8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
> Stefan Monnier writes:
>
>  > While I agree that it might sounds unEmacsish, key-sequences aren't
>  > that bad compared to key-chords.
>
> Not in my experience ... but I only use key-sequence-based input
> methods for Spanish (<5% non-ASCII characters) and Japanese (80% of
> characters requires multiple keystrokes no matter what input method
> you use, and in the very popular "romanized phonetic" methods, all
> characters do).
>
> I cannot say I'd not be unhappy if the ratio got to 50% or so.
>
> Steve

For the specific case at hand (apl-input):

I think that we have got (thanks David) to a solution.
$ setxkbmap -layout "us,apl" -variant ",sax" -option "grp:switch"
gives exactly (as far as I can tell) Juergen's solution -- a
chord-based one using alt -- so not nice for emacs users
With
$ setxkbmap -layout "us,apl" -variant ",sax" -option "grp:rswitch"
lalt works as before in emacs and ralt switches to apl layout

With
$ setxkbmap -layout "us,apl" -variant ",sax" -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
we can have a sequence based one -- alt-shift switching to apl and back

For the more general discussion: Is a key-seq preferable or a chord:
My general preference is to type as little as possible :-)
Combine that with the fact that a chord is bit more work than a single
key and a bit less than 2, we have:
single-key better than chord better than sequence

Clearly if we had to type-in ALLCAPS the capslock would be good.
Since mostly we never use allcaps, shift is better.

The same principle applies here: if I need to keep on giving some
input-method herald like '\' I would much rather give it once.

If one would look at typical APL code
eg http://aplwiki.com/FinnAplIdiomLibrary
one would quickly see why!

Rusi
-- 
http://www.the-magus.in
http://blog.languager.org



  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-28 12:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-12  4:48 APL mode Rustom Mody
2013-10-12  7:25 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-10-12 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-12 16:09   ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-12 19:08     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13  6:45     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13  6:59       ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 11:10         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 14:04           ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 15:35             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 16:11             ` Ivan Andrus
2013-10-13 12:42 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-13 14:47   ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 15:24     ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-14  5:00       ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14  6:45         ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 13:34           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14  8:21         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-14 11:08           ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-17 18:54             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-17 19:26               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-20 13:57                 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-21 10:46                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-21 13:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-25 19:09                     ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26  1:40                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-26  4:38                         ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 10:35                           ` Juergen Sauermann
2013-10-26 11:42                             ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 15:40                             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-26 16:48                               ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 17:41                                 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 17:48                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-27  5:08                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-27 22:41                             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-28  4:09                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-28 12:21                               ` Rustom Mody [this message]
2013-10-28 12:40                                 ` Juergen Sauermann
     [not found]                                   ` <CAJ+Teofv_2bHhdAvxsVRY8EYLQO6ERZ_zbAWh0FLQnUMndcfSg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                     ` <526E669E.60501@t-online.de>
     [not found]                                       ` <CAJ+TeofjYsy4eLDr=aM3Vo36=76zipbn7HmXcm59YNwkgLoaSg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <526E7EC3.3050305@t-online.de>
     [not found]                                           ` <526E967F.3010903@harpegolden.net>
     [not found]                                             ` <526E9DCE.8080504@t-online.de>
2013-10-28 17:42                                               ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-28 19:45                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-18  7:06               ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 10:40         ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-14 17:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-14 19:48   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-15  3:15   ` Rustom Mody
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-10-12  5:01 Rustom Mody

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