From: Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
"Jürgen Sauermann" <juergen.sauermann@t-online.de>,
emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: APL mode
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:51:22 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJ+Teod1_L8PEHAaPmSjMap1taEY1JoEBHyBajN7XPxY3-iwZA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ppqqt4s8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
> Stefan Monnier writes:
>
> > While I agree that it might sounds unEmacsish, key-sequences aren't
> > that bad compared to key-chords.
>
> Not in my experience ... but I only use key-sequence-based input
> methods for Spanish (<5% non-ASCII characters) and Japanese (80% of
> characters requires multiple keystrokes no matter what input method
> you use, and in the very popular "romanized phonetic" methods, all
> characters do).
>
> I cannot say I'd not be unhappy if the ratio got to 50% or so.
>
> Steve
For the specific case at hand (apl-input):
I think that we have got (thanks David) to a solution.
$ setxkbmap -layout "us,apl" -variant ",sax" -option "grp:switch"
gives exactly (as far as I can tell) Juergen's solution -- a
chord-based one using alt -- so not nice for emacs users
With
$ setxkbmap -layout "us,apl" -variant ",sax" -option "grp:rswitch"
lalt works as before in emacs and ralt switches to apl layout
With
$ setxkbmap -layout "us,apl" -variant ",sax" -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
we can have a sequence based one -- alt-shift switching to apl and back
For the more general discussion: Is a key-seq preferable or a chord:
My general preference is to type as little as possible :-)
Combine that with the fact that a chord is bit more work than a single
key and a bit less than 2, we have:
single-key better than chord better than sequence
Clearly if we had to type-in ALLCAPS the capslock would be good.
Since mostly we never use allcaps, shift is better.
The same principle applies here: if I need to keep on giving some
input-method herald like '\' I would much rather give it once.
If one would look at typical APL code
eg http://aplwiki.com/FinnAplIdiomLibrary
one would quickly see why!
Rusi
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-28 12:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-12 4:48 APL mode Rustom Mody
2013-10-12 7:25 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-10-12 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-12 16:09 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-12 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 6:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 6:59 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 11:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 14:04 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 15:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 16:11 ` Ivan Andrus
2013-10-13 12:42 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-13 14:47 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 15:24 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-14 5:00 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 6:45 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14 8:21 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-14 11:08 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-17 18:54 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-17 19:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-20 13:57 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-21 10:46 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-21 13:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-25 19:09 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 1:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-26 4:38 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 10:35 ` Juergen Sauermann
2013-10-26 11:42 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 15:40 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-26 16:48 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 17:41 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 17:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-27 5:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-27 22:41 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-28 4:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-28 12:21 ` Rustom Mody [this message]
2013-10-28 12:40 ` Juergen Sauermann
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2013-10-28 17:42 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-28 19:45 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-18 7:06 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 10:40 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-14 17:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-14 19:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-15 3:15 ` Rustom Mody
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2013-10-12 5:01 Rustom Mody
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