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(string-bytes 1 4592363) (vectors 16 84249) (vector-slots 8 2127567 299808) (floats 8 303 477) (intervals 56 4448 2270) (buffers 992 14)) When I drift the sprite (mouse cursor) in and out of emacs the scroll bar goes a little bit crazy with animated jaggies running up and down its length. No other window (eg terminals, firefox etc) shows this artifact. I've put up a video of the glitch at https://youtu.be/EMa1OWDhVS4. It shows both emacs -Q and plain emacs running. The hardware is hardly underpowered - Dell XPS L502X i7 laptop with intel graphics. this is fedora-29 and emacs-26.1-6.fc29.x86_64 as well as emacs-26.2 compiled from source the problem occurs with 'emacs -Q' as well as plain 'emacs' the problem occurs with i3wm and lxde but is resolved with compton or any compositing WM such as gnome the problem is not resolved with kvm/modesetting driver instead of xorg-x11-drv-intel the problem is resolved with emacs compiled with the athena/motif or lucid toolkits the problem is slightly alleviated by using emacs compiled with the gtk2 toolkit the problem does not occur on my media servers - 55" TV via HDMI with lxde on fedora-29 or raspbian one person has reported (on /r/emacs) that they can duplicate the problem on their laptop (an XPS 13 Haswell) as well as an AMD Vega desktop While an extremely minor annoyance, it remains irritating and shows emacs in a bad light. Is it possible that emacs is doing something weird / sophisticated with the scroll bar? --0000000000002157160588e11756 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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When I drift the sprite (mouse c= ursor) in and out of emacs the scroll
bar goes a little bit crazy with a= nimated jaggies running up and down
its length. No other window (eg term= inals, firefox etc) shows this
artifact.

I've put up a video = of the glitch at https://youtu.be/= EMa1OWDhVS4. It
shows both emacs -Q and plain emacs running.

= The hardware is hardly underpowered - Dell XPS L502X i7 laptop with
inte= l graphics.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 this is fedora-29 and emacs-26.1-6.fc= 29.x86_64 as well as emacs-26.2
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 compiled from source<= br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the problem occurs with 'emacs -Q' as wel= l as plain 'emacs'

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the problem occurs wit= h i3wm and lxde but is resolved with compton
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 or any c= ompositing WM such as gnome

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the problem is not re= solved with kvm/modesetting driver instead of
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 xorg-x1= 1-drv-intel

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the problem is resolved with emacs co= mpiled with the athena/motif
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 or lucid toolkits
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the problem is slightly alleviated by using emacs compi= led with the
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 gtk2 toolkit

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 t= he problem does not occur on my media servers - 55" TV via HDMI
=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 with lxde on fedora-29 or raspbian

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 one person has reported (on /r/emacs) that they can duplicate the
= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 problem on their laptop (an XPS 13 Haswell) as well as a= n AMD Vega
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 desktop

While an extremely minor an= noyance, it remains irritating and shows
emacs in a bad light. Is it pos= sible that emacs is doing something weird
/ sophisticated with the scrol= l bar?

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