From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: William F Hammond Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20078: imap with openssl Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:47:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140375c7acaf6051107b173 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1426099712 30361 80.91.229.3 (11 Mar 2015 18:48:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20078@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 11 19:48:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlg0-0000lV-GM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 19:48:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56364 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlfz-0002ee-Uf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:48:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51569) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlfs-0002eW-R5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:48:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlfn-0002e7-02 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:48:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44554) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlfm-0002dx-TU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:48:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlfm-00004u-EJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:48:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: William F Hammond Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20078 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: security Original-Received: via spool by 20078-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20078.142609963132699 (code B ref 20078); Wed, 11 Mar 2015 18:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20078) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2015 18:47:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43122 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlex-0008VL-B7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:47:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ig0-f178.google.com ([209.85.213.178]:44402) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YVlev-0008V3-DR for 20078@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:47:10 -0400 Original-Received: by igdh15 with SMTP id h15so14948733igd.3 for <20078@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:47:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=R4MR99LvtjJxP9V9uOP5d1W5PIuu8/pH0kdc7MuH+5E=; b=PTblY9CjlFI7CB066xfSQau/zGwwOuxAfkFF4m4y2hBlgQbq8iWw62ShQPbOcN4JXD cAP6Ti088qWwm2V+9YxquS2M8pAAh06NlQ0OLKD0zoLGVtJRYR8PTZDHHLQL63PgiYVz ZFaGlS2/X3NVmcJxwEsHLW+9N9Tun3+/w3Oj0SZGUiR8jqxYSTDUsYoblPQ5QRuIzncV hXheFcIFdl0frH7GqH62TIEXfvTclC9/CQHpDBLZgJozUhjMTytmWUyux7EUh9xKsb+5 Ox39gh92SzLQZgz/SvSUfAtxg3ELEOZpQlC0aC29eHHXoNWrtcckKpZJjR/gVzOfpO6S Vj/w== X-Received: by 10.107.160.212 with SMTP id j203mr68518008ioe.43.1426099623609; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.64.159.198 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 11:47:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:100386 Archived-At: --001a1140375c7acaf6051107b173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > > Thanks for the report. > I think basically what you are talking about is the same as > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=766397 > > which was forwarded to emacs-devel, which is a great way to ensure > things get lost, so it's good to have an actual bug report for it now. > > The discussion is here, but AFAICS nothing actually happened: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-10/msg00803.html > Debian is not really the place to talk about this kind of issue for emacs/gnus. But I note in the Debian thread that Richard Stallman, based on his reading, made the same point about avoiding the options ssl3 and ssl2 with s_client though he did not ask for the abandonment of s_client or of imap.el. There's discussion in those threads about whether 'anyone' still uses imap.el and its calls to external openssl. It arises, for example, when using mail-sources with, say, nnmbox. My 'crisis' arose in a sun/solaris system where neither starttls nor gnutls is available. It seems that starttls is now no longer maintained (for cause) and, in my case, gnutls is not easy to build from source because of recursive library dependencies. But openssl is available. Would it make sense for emacs to incorporate gnutls? That way one could be sure for a given build of emacs that it would work with gnutls. -- William F Hammond Email: gellmu@gmail.com https://www.facebook.com/william.f.hammond http://www.albany.edu/~hammond/ --001a1140375c7acaf6051107b173 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:

Thanks for the report.
I think basically what you are talking about is the same as

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D766397

which was forwarded to emacs-devel, which is a great way to ensure
things get lost, so it's good to have an actual bug report for it now.<= br>
The discussion is here, but AFAICS nothing actually happened:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-1= 0/msg00803.html

Debian is not reall= y the place to talk about this kind of issue for emacs/gnus.

But I note in the Debian thread that Richard Stal= lman, based on his reading, made the same point about avoiding the options = ssl3 and ssl2 with s_client though he did not ask for the abandonment of s_= client or of imap.el.

There's discussion in those threads about whether &= #39;anyone' still uses imap.el and its calls to external openssl.=C2=A0= It arises, for example, when using mail-sources with, say, nnmbox.

My 'c= risis' arose in a sun/solaris system where neither starttls nor gnutls = is available.=C2=A0 It seems that starttls is now no longer maintained (for= cause) and, in my case, gnutls is not easy to build from source because of= recursive library dependencies.=C2=A0 But openssl is available.
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Would it mak= e sense for emacs to incorporate gnutls?=C2=A0 That way one could be sure f= or a given build of emacs that it would work with gnutls.
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