From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Walton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Build Emacs without Lisp? Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:14:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: <7538bdc5-9579-4dd2-8917-4b5e55353c15@googlegroups.com> <91956c6244d755a725fe87907aa6ad14.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> Reply-To: noloader@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466968481 12326 80.91.229.3 (26 Jun 2016 19:14:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Rusi , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Phillip Lord Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 26 21:14:40 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bHFVv-0005a2-Lj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 21:14:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54957 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHFVu-0003Xk-D8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:14:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47168) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHFVT-0003Xd-Qo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:14:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHFVS-0007Ul-KG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]:37456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHFVS-0007Ud-Er for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:14:10 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id f6so48102003ith.0 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:14:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=BZCjrgFzJbBPsvtrzp9C+iHg0HfFGLeLI3/vsFMCo+4=; b=rePWGZseCLA1wRYh6KRGjoywSY1NLTZlsPhyxXqVJwImsPVfROugMEqjNcYLAr2wHv UWy8/a6DNkxv+R/C1F6VUNe3MT3HGk+yeIrXHU5jVhzwQqiaEAcyLhkLHOH0JRT2cDI4 ditOptMvefszT/FKztJEnc3GAqy9pw9m7C88m9LdgVO1OHN4kEtN0EiKvasczEqmaHKo 4NZBWZUOrSLZ3Ysy9uzitX9g/TSEHWWGTdLGoTN9jYL2fPKeFQQQWSnd9tflazLgfPap 6jyE3S3HcBPGgFpkjvaFIEgGJe2hB1wH4FTPPmPfSPgLIX9mcAZf1X6+ykMzjtGGD6Cc d7Fg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BZCjrgFzJbBPsvtrzp9C+iHg0HfFGLeLI3/vsFMCo+4=; b=K+Py52vk5bZVYBrCDuM5hbzLHR7Uk46Sc0MU50S/ZOSPFYpyvrQ9PhFq8AY+SaOFj7 AOSpxoz4AbAz7mKmk8ZobLGq5l5lmyKcagyTmsFAgDWsQ9tBzuBCMUoQpHlkrFuBEBS/ diz7G2S/nhfyCHwdOnRlauo8/TW5JU6wN5hYadfhouKFoQvVVH8D//W2mo40HIlEpK7+ 4i+1a9yfjFc3xxMfEMG0d7uqVk6bk0iORRUtfMPlOFl34G0qTPCpmuCpl3jeUkLFJySD BsuxTg/aacL2nQxe/YqcH1DHfGYgrLmXxycuodf6ESuu1t0meNJCG+yH3QhFzKgSBSyf iT1A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJatGTSLtyUpj8seQ94dTujmzFYk4WLwna/ft9mzDdwFElvJikjlZmPC8oK922D2SGL8Wo+HHtYocwWHA== X-Received: by 10.36.214.4 with SMTP id o4mr5662387itg.14.1466968450050; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.64.162.132 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:14:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <91956c6244d755a725fe87907aa6ad14.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:110585 Archived-At: On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Phillip Lord wrote: > On Sun, June 26, 2016 1:20 pm, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >>>> My questions are: >>>> >>>> >>>> - Is it possible to build emacs without Lisp? If so, how? >>>> >>>> >>>> - Are there other work arounds available for the seg fault? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Taking your subject line literally (ie not the usual way its done today >>> to suggest emacs = gnu-emacs) have you seen this list of 'smaller' >>> emacsen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs#Various_Emacs_editors >>> >> >> Thanks, that's a good point. I'm so used to emacs, I grab it with no >> thought. >> >> Maybe an emacs knock-off is a better solution until we get a working >> debugger to investigate the issue. > > You haven't said yet what you are actually trying to achieve (other than > build emacs). The goal is to use Emacs as my text editor. The goal is composed into subtask because there's no Emacs package, and no working debugger. Building Emacs from is turning into a dead end because it can't complete its tests (for whatever reason). We can't really investigate why because there's working debugger. If the problem is Bash, then I can switch to a different shell that may work, or I can forgo the steps that include bash. I'm happy to do whatever the group advises. Jeff