From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Walton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Build Emacs without Lisp? Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <7538bdc5-9579-4dd2-8917-4b5e55353c15@googlegroups.com> <91956c6244d755a725fe87907aa6ad14.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> <86r3bjhgtv.fsf@student.uu.se> Reply-To: noloader@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466971897 30784 80.91.229.3 (26 Jun 2016 20:11:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 20:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 26 22:11:36 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bHGOz-0004eS-Uv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 22:11:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55109 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHGOz-0001XC-8i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:11:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55801) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHGOY-0001Qc-FK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:11:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHGOW-0008LM-Dm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:11:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]:34675) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHGOW-0008LI-8p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:11:04 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id g13so130431044ioj.1 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=k0Y4XSxMxhnOeBunCvk6J8FhNo+v6seMUKIgJUK/5II=; b=0nkWtXGmw5x6wrkc7GYwVEkhdKgRDNKoFsyxPHL1Jq8uDWh+aIN+5nEgS0RdJxaiZb QUhmrKynFJUFIuJnAmwQoR5a3Gc9eNBZkLarLMztEg/yCaZVNFzhsh/0SZG9Mh1HTE0e bKKJstY1pI9jehiEI9mMwsaP7VCDA1uiHMa51iB6PwAWt5VxHicU1A4inyEaR3bfRKUJ dg5AA0qCpGmlnv4Wp5SXpIii6mm5DsG9fTHbATn8H+T4XbZ1x7nH5Nu+6Lo7c0a+qBZo Xb8UTAKXauytoIbCthmH2xp3SFxLxcf2B9FtCLppC2Yn56ebEs73LiYxXPJawX5sNKvh H4ew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=k0Y4XSxMxhnOeBunCvk6J8FhNo+v6seMUKIgJUK/5II=; b=SAHKv89U4NiPek7hTeV2CwBnxNdU0dLhnxzNBG3jLgBrnEbnoEhfB5SvEbPiE5EFA0 E1BE4v+VbjH5m/EDE0kAuQ1z9Sp2RtEeV7xZqjGj80PLz0vuewIYxk+01+NVaLpfMfvc Xs7WlPBv8vhEvS/bhDE+RzyRV4ahdVCMWVIsaONN3or/Yrz5/jJ0yohC/AulnEcDgEQj JuKc6N2SzQwDF18cFIUkrzZhCq/7kACtMW6A6ZOh77sFIhVeZr4bk25u7Z3/ZCs2BDWS 2OYE7R0ctYkQ9yjcolGS86t6+Z+8oBzF3XvUrSUbjaLTZ+drwYf4hENIlARpTZxyo2VN IBOg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLypdvNo71geUgp+V1EcmHLMFtsK8gAv2o9FA0uGkZQUgZDQNM7cIyaJ3rSDP1labrVL387aqGll9lngA== X-Received: by 10.107.183.2 with SMTP id h2mr1434059iof.63.1466971863901; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.64.162.132 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:11:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86r3bjhgtv.fsf@student.uu.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:110587 Archived-At: >> The goal is to use Emacs as my text editor. > > Are you on some uncommon platform where you > have to compile everything manually or why > don't you just use the distro's package manager > to install it? Yes. I'm in a Debian QEMU/Chroot for S/390x because I don't have access to one. Debian tests our package under it via Porter, so I'm using their methodology. Also see http://www.debian.org/ports/. We added Ports testing because Debian was finding bugs under these platforms. We are trying to get out in front of things rather than playing catch-up. I'm pretty sure the Debian's Bash package is broken, but it happens to work on i686 and x86_64, Aarch32, Aarch64 and a few others. However, when it runs on S/390, Sparc64 and a few others, it seg faults. Also see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828041. I _suspect_ the Debian Bash bug is due to a non-static jmpbuf, but I have not had time to investigate it. The jmpbuf happens to be zero'd on some platforms because of the zero-page writer, but it gets unlucky on some others. The suspicion is based on the 828041 bug above. For completeness, I suspect the problems in this thread are the reason Emacs is not available for S/390: (1) Bash is broken, so it fails self tests; and (2) GDB is broken so no one can investigate why. Jeff