From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dani Moncayo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `isearch-allow-scroll' - a misnomer and a bad design Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:01:57 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20110911103940.GA3246@acm.acm> <3C4B7E318EB04AE4B7DB9FD0E4C67629@us.oracle.com> <20110911173012.GA3088@acm.acm> <20110912093651.GA3249@acm.acm> <20110913142732.GB3081@acm.acm> <7E2EE144B11D413583E1E659CDE15186@us.oracle.com> <8739g0vyuy.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4E6FF63A.4070604@gmail.com> <2F1337889F394491BA778ACA46799812@us.oracle.com> <874o07m3ay.fsf@maru.md5i.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316617344 30110 80.91.229.12 (21 Sep 2011 15:02:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: md5i@md5i.com, dan.colascione@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, Stefan Monnier , acm@muc.de, yandros@mit.edu, drew.adams@oracle.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 21 17:02:19 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6OJS-00029E-Vs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:02:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38062 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6OJS-00026M-C0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:02:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44281) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6OJK-000255-RA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:02:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6OJJ-0006At-SX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:02:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.161.169]:32968) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6OJD-00069k-M5; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:01:59 -0400 Original-Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so1455883gxk.0 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:01:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=It3rDTYG7bry+/5j0LP8CjCl6w+VfSrUy1N6pHMIc9s=; b=tjAZfUGC0UFXUQfVrVP68qUq95Cc122XQBuD5a0lWWhjqhQgep5tYq3sDgrTdt5bpX PJIt4OyVdjiMJaPFJE8PeXGKmQMafIXo0bKQ/0R2kj2hOvwo+bfSVbD2DUo8EnHtwSdC QdoWcThbS/4vqc1+fZHOMU+YXHfCNTkq0G5js= Original-Received: by 10.236.75.227 with SMTP id z63mr5969750yhd.55.1316617317902; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.236.207.6 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:01:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.161.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144156 Archived-At: Hi Richard, > =A0 =A0> FWIW: Several people have expressed this idea, with which I agre= e. > =A0 =A0> C-u should do nothing by itself (and that includes not exiting > =A0 =A0> Isearch, of course). =A0Its only effect should be to provide a p= refix > =A0 =A0> argument to the next command, to extend its behavior. > > =A0 =A0I tend to agree. > > This reasoning is based on thinking of Isearch as a kind of a mode, > but that's exactly what we should avoid. My reasoning goes beyond Isearch. It is a way of thinking about C-u as a universal command which always does exactly the same thing: Collect a numeric prefix argument for the next command to process, and do nothing beyond that. --=20 Dani Moncayo