From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dani Moncayo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:25:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83fw4p46nd.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehk94475.fsf@gnu.org> <83d2zt40p1.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352118339 3580 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2012 12:25:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 05 13:25:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TVLkS-0007dS-5p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:25:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44908 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVLkJ-0007XH-Ai for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60634) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVLkH-0007X9-C2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVLkG-0001WX-EP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:25:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:40749) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVLkD-0001W0-FZ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:25:33 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va7so6227468obc.0 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 04:25:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3vzyLpJBMkkjpuUaA3mrQjDy40JweqqTiR2K2WHAjnE=; b=dwpR2V+7Y/NXlvHcOZvgkdzuJNlp8Nii465THRyY6R3xCRtAC4H+AXeE5rMfJpEw/S AUG70vbNKN9JSTFetfgoIb6RjcagjGqEu31MyZqA1ZePN1mbrv2yM+NmgxVWa+xr05zg CLhBa6u+PoSvVuSWr/YNsWDzgxG8WuxOW6j7rvc+DkHvoEWNZFNmHW2stQvjhAc+pUu4 0EkdEBCpoChnRecx+E+LcKqp2sboQyp4RLSQ/5ve4T3AuWS/dHSsc3/HrO5egNXgHw9x /AvIwuhpNAswISHAece+9MgGeKpfv4+97w3yBgjIrVGUJZPQrvLyTZdUfVlo3NEBE+Aq fogw== Original-Received: by 10.60.19.202 with SMTP id h10mr7501804oee.99.1352118332807; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 04:25:32 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.60.131.168 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 04:25:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.214.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154685 Archived-At: > What "widely accepted approach"? Most applications don't have names > for the commands invoked by keys, they just use "PageDown" the key > name. > > Do they generally agree on which direction "PageDown" should scroll? Yes. Popular web browsers and text processors interpret "PageDown" as "show the next page". Therefore, "up" and "down" refer to the view port (not the text). That convention is the opposite of the one currently used in Emacs. > If so, that would seem to be a general convention for the meaning > of "down" for scrolling. Yes, and my proposal tried to be both unambiguous (including "view" as part of the new commands' names, e.g. `scroll-view-down') and consistent with that convention (all scroll commands would follow the same pattern). -- Dani Moncayo