From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@gmail.com>
To: Emacs development discussions <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:10:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH8Pv0ihcHSqhvi2bMygwa9QBv5Mmr+bRphbfhmQQB-Fauj+Jw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
Hello,
After reading (info "(emacs) Scrolling"), I think the Emacs
terminology for specifying scrolling directions is pretty confusing:
1. The terms "up" and "down" have the opposite meanings of the ones
commonly used in the (non-emacs) world. The info node explains that
this is for historical reasons; OK, but then, why don't we try to find
a solution? (see below)
2. The terms "forward" and "backward" are used as synonyms for "up"
and "down" respectively. I guess this was an attempt to mitigate the
previous problem [*], but IMO it worsens it, because:
(a) They are ambiguous: here we are talking about _vertical_
scrolling, and "forward"/"backward" could refer to horizontal
scrolling too.
(b) They take the opposite criterion: while "up"/"down" refer to the
movement of the text (relative to the window), "forward"/"backward"
refer to the movement of the window (relative to the text). So we end
up with a confusing mix of criteria.
So here is my proposal for solving these problems:
1. Rename the command `scroll-up' to `scroll-window-down' (an
unambiguous name, which uses the standard approach of describing the
window movement), and define `scroll-up' as an obsolete alias for
`scroll-window-down'. Likewise for the rest of scroll commands with
"up"/"down" in their names.
2. Remove the use of "forward" and "backward" to refer to scrolling directions.
WDYT
--- Footnotes ---
[*] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-03/msg01063.html
--
Dani Moncayo
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Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-04 14:10 Dani Moncayo [this message]
2012-11-04 14:37 ` Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Stefan Monnier
2012-11-04 15:00 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 17:07 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-04 17:30 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-04 17:35 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-04 19:10 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 19:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-04 20:01 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 11:07 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-05 12:25 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 14:56 ` Nix
2012-11-05 15:39 ` Teemu Likonen
2012-11-07 8:12 ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2012-11-13 9:05 ` Bastien
2012-11-13 17:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-05 3:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-05 7:27 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 12:44 ` Jambunathan K
2012-11-05 2:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-05 7:24 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 23:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-06 21:29 ` Daniel Hackney
2012-11-05 11:06 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-05 15:00 ` Nix
2012-11-06 1:25 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-06 17:24 ` Adrian Robert
2012-11-06 17:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-06 17:50 ` Drew Adams
2012-11-06 19:14 ` John Yates
2012-11-05 18:05 ` Daniel Hackney
2012-11-06 1:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-07 16:31 ` Nix
2012-11-08 1:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-08 17:33 ` Nix
2012-11-08 18:14 ` Eli Barzilay
2012-11-08 18:18 ` Nix
2012-11-08 18:39 ` Eli Barzilay
2012-11-08 18:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-09 9:50 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 14:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-08 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-08 18:48 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-08 19:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-09 2:52 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-09 7:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-09 14:20 ` Nix
2012-11-09 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-09 20:24 ` Nix
2012-11-10 11:09 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:11 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 0:13 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-10 7:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 11:09 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 11:48 ` Nix
2012-11-10 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:47 ` Nix
2012-11-10 14:10 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 18:50 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 11:10 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:12 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 9:51 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 14:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-10 11:05 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-08 7:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-08 11:12 ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-08 15:43 ` Drew Adams
2012-11-08 17:35 ` Nix
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-11-06 17:55 Dmitry Gutov
2012-11-07 0:53 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-07 15:17 ` Drew Adams
2012-11-07 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-07 18:03 ` Drew Adams
2012-11-07 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-07 21:00 ` Drew Adams
2012-11-07 21:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-08 22:18 ` Daniel Hackney
2012-11-07 21:12 ` Mathias Dahl
2012-11-07 21:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-11-08 19:26 ` Bruce Korb
2012-11-13 9:07 ` Bastien
[not found] <201211080338.qA83c7NY006393@winooski.ccs.neu.edu>
[not found] ` <20635.16010.769769.433949@winooski.ccs.neu.edu>
2012-11-08 16:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-09 9:50 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 14:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-09 15:27 ` Eli Barzilay
2012-11-10 11:05 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:09 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 14:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 18:49 ` martin rudalics
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