From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dani Moncayo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:10:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83fw4p46nd.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehk94475.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352056252 4810 80.91.229.3 (4 Nov 2012 19:10:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 04 20:11:01 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TV5av-0000jg-F7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 20:10:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45435 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TV5am-0008Lq-KP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:10:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43411) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TV5ak-0008LY-Ev for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:10:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TV5aj-0008Py-Hw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:10:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:47316) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TV5ai-0008PV-4e; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 14:10:40 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va7so5599141obc.0 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:10:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rrAowMNOkZNcQvVZ1cfd7onn/NoTUHxg2JtWGsuh+BY=; b=r4CkWXe45V1C34G0tBT1BWi+MKPDkvpKq1lJHWxCZKsKiORd6qL/VyAqfGAM1bDMrN Z4/G/jhFFbEP11vRK4ynXMDPT/z2Fbn80oAgJQs8fS5tFGRAH37h3hIS5lGNY1IJyd86 frZslSd7o6LW7D6pi2VkkKUzkAE1zkAQVz+M4bVIfbr6n4I2/xN0+ZV6KM0v8IWaMdP4 T4LhR4ZsvJfiu5F2cJtWiIr2CIlJi9BPogbtW2WoXHN+8jZ1nuOoiRgoer0+CrkDkXCK QHq7h/fyMixT9SdpI6X5SCA+cJ2esANCt03rFcFgQEfqgOGwGcF5RpnE29x+uVWplyW/ u7/g== Original-Received: by 10.60.18.110 with SMTP id v14mr6053857oed.135.1352056239420; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 11:10:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.60.131.168 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:10:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83ehk94475.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.214.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154674 Archived-At: >> > How about page-up and page-down? Since they are the same as the key >> > names, it's possible that users will not be confused by the "who moves >> > up" dilemma. >> >> But as you know, there is a lot of scrolling commands beyond those >> two, like for example "scroll-up-line". > > page-down-line will do. > >> Therefore, we should find a general solution for this. > > I don't see why. :( If we agree that it would be better to adopt the widely accepted approach of a moving view port (over an static text), then why not being consistent with that principle in all scrolling commands? Consistency and uniformity are good programming principles that make things simpler to learn and remember. So these principles should be followed unless there is a good reason not to. -- Dani Moncayo