From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dani Moncayo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:01:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83fw4p46nd.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehk94475.fsf@gnu.org> <83d2zt40p1.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352059303 29936 80.91.229.3 (4 Nov 2012 20:01:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 04 21:01:51 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TV6OF-0003tE-EC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:01:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53341 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TV6O6-0007po-Fb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:01:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57923) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TV6O3-0007pj-IC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:01:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TV6O2-0006fJ-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:01:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.219.41]:48840) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TV6Nz-0006ef-CS; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:01:35 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so5730202oag.0 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:01:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/ZrpWfuLFSrx3c9rguzTjqO9sfJ91EhjV3gLlZyYR7U=; b=exAyzwY1fuZgN62SRf3gHzTGF4lv8VrUR4JtTUeHkcXRCeeQTuOsrq6IAdwkiRtTBo n5nSMDRvIcah9L3aPLlzX4tg4dawWga7alK/CUxTrxK+TNg0rih1WgA3wELBUE8hcjkQ 4Srz6ZwQHFY7enMw59jdFz9wPSPqL86ErzyU7D4u4Qgk47VoqJP3d0g0kwHrjb2gN40U gaVHnDUOxdmtxxDdEBlT5+63yGdXySzss2t7aHT78EcV4/ssB3ObkmNbn1aSB5HaXP2x S0xvhmQ1XXOREZ+VZzHHr73Yf1FMQwtYHSbS/RlQtgpOxBCIifh57zP9GTT93UI27Ulq 1Cug== Original-Received: by 10.60.0.166 with SMTP id 6mr6159196oef.6.1352059294718; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:01:34 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.60.131.168 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 12:01:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83d2zt40p1.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.219.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154676 Archived-At: >> If we agree that it would be better to adopt the widely accepted >> approach of a moving view port (over an static text) > > What "widely accepted approach"? Most applications don't have names > for the commands invoked by keys but people use these terms in normal conversations. >, they just use "PageDown" the key > name. and the way that key is interpreted in all applications I'm aware of reflects the "widely accepted approach" I was talking about: the "Down" in "PageDown" refers to the _viewport_ movement (it shows you the next page). > There isn't much prior art here, we are on our own. I disagree. See above. >> Consistency and uniformity are good programming principles that make >> things simpler to learn and remember. So these principles should be >> followed unless there is a good reason not to. > > And there are good reasons in this case, as others in this thread > pointed out. Honestly, I've not seen a single good reason so far. Stefan made a valid point when he said that the "window" part in "scroll-window-" could be confusing, and I agreed. But as I said, changing "window" to "view" would remove the confusion. -- Dani Moncayo