From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dani Moncayo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Latest changes with lisp/uni-*.el and leim/quail Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:40:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83txew8m9v.fsf@gnu.org> <837gbr8uxa.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385761250 7572 80.91.229.3 (29 Nov 2013 21:40:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs development discussions To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 29 22:40:55 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VmVny-0007oe-I0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:40:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49564 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmVny-0005Lm-58 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:40:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52787) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmVnv-0005Kk-7B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:40:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmVnu-0005hJ-CR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:40:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]:52548) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmVns-0005gL-5m; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:40:48 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id x18so7196844lbi.21 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:40:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YPlW5+rv4XdT2s4Fle/1xi4m6Aw1uCaDSss3l2Q1/YE=; b=ZJuqDxsUZ8VmpNqUNSlxKF5xHBOwSnjB0KpCmnWlK8PxEC7J5ZzPVoOvt2fApLDrWO jrbDILnH85rHxWmXk5Ld1qo8cJczo0snFEXKxUoejxESAgSX7lmGu+pML3llZ12VEp1F S41QpUSfpun3D1PXcMHV9NngzxJx7nKVRJMzZN/4rwmdyT3GAixJcHG4zEphMoUwyrzB eQ+8+wf5AGD22GMJo+PShd+e/Lx0Pu4gKUYvsM54aFnWQ5FVyYNVY25a4rMVeIPA2mTH 3TiqraP1crsfmXXk3Fz3esWRtUVXttPqZiBRjY3FBylz5GLffzEiyN6ckCdfIWm1ecud ipmQ== X-Received: by 10.112.37.134 with SMTP id y6mr8404566lbj.29.1385761246838; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:40:46 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.114.176.231 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 13:40:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165903 Archived-At: > Look, you've got commit rights, you've chosen to use git, why don't you > fix these things if they bother you, rather than asking someone else to > do so? When I know how to fix something (like in this case), I fix it. And that is what I've done. I just asked someone to commit my patch. (I don't think I'm asking too much). > Oh, because you won't take 30mins to learn how to use bzr (or > git-bzr, or whatever). No, the question is not that simple. The spare time I can afford to devote to my "programming hobbies" is very scarce. In that little time, I try to contribute to and learn a bit of Emacs, while at the same time get a bit of experience with git (in which I have interest too). Currently I don't have time for more. IOW, currently Emacs is the only project in which I use git, so, if I used bzr instead (in which I have no interest), I would not have the opportunity to get experienced with git, and that, IMO, would be definitely too bad. > If 200 people each spend 10 seconds reading one > of your "please commit this for me" messages, that's more than 30mins > wasted. That is one point of view, but another one is this: 1. A user that provides feedback/bug reports is valuable, even if he doesn't submit patches. 2. A user that also submit patches is even more valuable, even if he doesn't commit them. 3. A user that also commit his patches is even (a little) more valuable. Currently I'm at level 2. It's better than nothing, isn't it? -- Dani Moncayo