Emacs pretest 24.3.94

Emacs pretest 24.3.94

[Glenn Morris]

The next (and hopefully final) pretest for what will be the 24.4 release
of Emacs (the extensible text editor) is available at

  ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-24.3.94.tar.xz

Please give it as much testing as you can.

As always, if you encounter problems building or using Emacs,
send a report to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org with full details
(if possible, use M-x report-emacs-bug).

Thanks for helping to test Emacs.

bug#18612: [platform-testers] Emacs pretest 24.3.94

[Assaf Gordon]

Hello,

On 10/01/2014 09:13 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:
> The next (and hopefully final) pretest for what will be the 24.4 release
> of Emacs (the extensible text editor) is available at
>
>    ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-24.3.94.tar.xz
>
> Please give it as much testing as you can.

I tested it on few systems, builds OK on all the followings (amd64, with only curses support, no X):
   Debian 7.6
   gNewSense 3.1 (based on Debian 6)
   Ubuntu 14.04.1
   Trisquel 6.0.1 (based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS)
   OpenSUSE 13.1
   CentOS 6.5
   CentOS 7
   FreeBSD 10
   FreeBSD 9.3
   OpenBSD 5.5
   NetBSD 6.1.4
   DilOS 1.3.7 (OpenSolaris/Illumos-based)
   GNU Hurd/Debian 0.5 (i386)

"./configure" fails on MINIX R3.3.0/i386, but MINIX is not officially supported.

On thing I noticed, is that "configure.ac" (and thus "./configure")
has the following statement (line 38):
     srcdir="/${srcdir:0:1}${srcdir:2}"

I believe these are bash-specific variable expansions, not posix-compatible.

This appears in an MINGW-related "if" block, so I guess most of the time it is not encountered.
But in one instance, I got:
     $ ./configure
     ./configure: 3564: Syntax error: Bad substitution

Regards,
  - Assaf

bug#18612: [platform-testers] Emacs pretest 24.3.94

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:22:41 -0400
> From: Assaf Gordon <assafgordon@gmail.com>
> 
> On thing I noticed, is that "configure.ac" (and thus "./configure")
> has the following statement (line 38):
>      srcdir="/${srcdir:0:1}${srcdir:2}"
> 
> I believe these are bash-specific variable expansions, not posix-compatible.
> 
> This appears in an MINGW-related "if" block, so I guess most of the time it is not encountered.

MinGW uses only Bash.

bug#18612: [platform-testers] Emacs pretest 24.3.94

[Glenn Morris]

Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>>      srcdir="/${srcdir:0:1}${srcdir:2}"
>> 
>> I believe these are bash-specific variable expansions, not posix-compatible.
>> 
>> This appears in an MINGW-related "if" block, so I guess most of the
>> time it is not encountered.
>
> MinGW uses only Bash.

But other platforms may still try to parse (?) those lines, even if they
don't execute them. Presumably that explains:

>> But in one instance, I got:
>>    $ ./configure
>>    ./configure: 3564: Syntax error: Bad substitution

So can you replace it with something portable, eg sed?

bug#18612: [platform-testers] Emacs pretest 24.3.94

[Dani Moncayo]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
>>>      srcdir="/${srcdir:0:1}${srcdir:2}"
>>>
>>> I believe these are bash-specific variable expansions, not posix-compatible.
>>>
>>> This appears in an MINGW-related "if" block, so I guess most of the
>>> time it is not encountered.
>>
>> MinGW uses only Bash.
>
> But other platforms may still try to parse (?) those lines, even if they
> don't execute them. Presumably that explains:
>
>>> But in one instance, I got:
>>>    $ ./configure
>>>    ./configure: 3564: Syntax error: Bad substitution


To find out if that's the case here, Assaf could run the configure
script again, with this patch applied:

--- configure 2014-10-02 22:49:51.808131800 +0200
+++ configure1 2014-10-02 23:05:37.288306300 +0200
@@ -3554,6 +3554,10 @@

 if test "x$MSYSTEM" = "xMINGW32" -o "x$MSYSTEM" = "xMINGW64"
 then
+
+  $as_echo "Too bad.  This should not be executed in this system!.
\$MSYSTEM='$MSYSTEM'" >&2
+  exit 1
+
   . $srcdir/nt/mingw-cfg.site

   case $srcdir in


...and tell us whether the script aborts at that "exit 1", and if so,
the value of $MSYSTEM.

-- 
Dani Moncayo

bug#18612: [platform-testers] Emacs pretest 24.3.94

[Assaf Gordon]

On 10/02/2014 05:07 PM, Dani Moncayo wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
>>
>> But other platforms may still try to parse (?) those lines, even if they
>> don't execute them. Presumably that explains:

<...>

> To find out if that's the case here, Assaf could run the configure
> script again, with this patch applied:

The patch itself was not enough, because it still contains the offending lines.
However, I think I managed to reduce the case to this:

=== MINIX R3.3.0 ===
$ sh -c 'echo ${a:0:1}'
sh: Syntax error: Bad substitution
$ sh -c 'true && echo ${a:0:1}'
sh: Syntax error: Bad substitution
$ sh -c 'false && echo ${a:0:1}'
sh: Syntax error: Bad substitution

=== Debian 7.6 ===
$ dash -c 'echo ${a:0:1}'
dash: 1: Bad substitution
$ dash -c 'true && echo ${a:0:1}'
dash: 1: Bad substitution
$ dash -c 'false && echo ${a:0:1}'
(no error printed)

=== NetBSD 6.1.4 ====
$ sh -c 'echo ${a:0:1}'
sh: Syntax error: Bad substitution
$ sh -c 'true && echo ${a:0:1}'
sh: Syntax error: Bad substitution
$ sh -c 'false && echo ${a:0:1}'
sh: Syntax error: Bad substitution

but:

$ ksh -c 'echo ${a:0:1}'
ksh: : bad substitution
$ ksh -c 'true && echo ${a:0:1}'
ksh: : bad substitution
$ ksh -c 'false && echo ${a:0:1}'
(no error printed)
====

The "offending" system is MINIX R3.3.0 (which isn't officially supported).
It is supposed to be MINIX kernel + NetBSD user-space,
so I'm not quite sure why "./configure" on NetBSD works while on MINIX it doesn't.
(something to do with re-exec as "ksh" ? though MINIX does have "/bin/ksh" ).

In any case, I think the examples above demonstrate that MINIX's default shell does parse the shell statements regardless of execution or not, unlike 'dash' or 'ksh'.
I don't know if this is POSIX-compliant-behaviour or not.

Regards,
  - Assaf

bug#18612: [platform-testers] Emacs pretest 24.3.94

[Assaf Gordon]

On 10/02/2014 06:06 PM, Assaf Gordon wrote:
> The "offending" system is MINIX R3.3.0 (which isn't officially supported).

Just to put things in perspective, even after fixing/avoiding this issue, emacs doesn't build on MINIX as-is,
so this issue shouldn't delay a release...

bug#18612: [platform-testers] Emacs pretest 24.3.94

[Dani Moncayo]

>> To find out if that's the case here, Assaf could run the configure
>> script again, with this patch applied:
>
>
> The patch itself was not enough, because it still contains the offending
> lines.

Of course, because I wanted to determine whether the error was
triggered (a) at parsing time (the shell parses more code than
strictly necessary) or (b) at execution time (some problem with the
test of $MSYSTEM, which provokes the unwanted execution of
MinGW-specific code).

(It seems now clear that the answer is "a".  Thank you)

-- 
Dani Moncayo

bug#18612: non-portable shell substitution in configure.ac

[Paul Eggert]

Unfortunately POSIX doesn't allow that construction, even in non-executed code, 
so a strict shell is within its rights to reject it.  I installed a simple and 
localized workaround as emacs-24 bzr 117537.

RE: Emacs pretest 24.3.94

[Drew Adams]

> The next (and hopefully final) pretest for what will be the 24.4
> release of Emacs (the extensible text editor) is available at
>   ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-24.3.94.tar.xz

Is there an HTTP URL for an MS Windows binary?

The general tar, dated Oct 01, is available by HTTP here:
http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/

And that directory has a link for `windows/', which used to be
used for Windows pretest binaries.  But everything there dates
from 2010.  I think we should be finished with the April 2010
pretest by now. ;-)