From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Michael Reilly Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Webapp/Plugin Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87fw8be692.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042ef5113672a004c5f61a43 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1343560706 21214 80.91.229.3 (29 Jul 2012 11:18:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 29 13:18:26 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SvRVx-0003oh-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:18:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40658 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvRVw-0005aS-Et for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:18:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34878) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvRVu-0005aC-HA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:18:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvRVs-00038M-82 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:18:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:57669) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvRVs-000380-2E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:18:20 -0400 Original-Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so8849351pbb.0 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:18:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=CvsPbUC5qcAUBkNBP3dnCiEPLxVQ9KnuCDL9qhtxjJ0=; b=AHlY3FqUO8ZZuI+7FsgiTRy9ZPj2LB+Mf5IMbc7ntsbmJh2YlFTMdj9sb73tn6WfPh PwnWu0gcy9NbLYJAjQRzix6tDOP55V5to9bMHCDQQ3CzuOcb8w4+SbVXEdxQMTgPTp6E r4F7vlI/alKBYXb0gQS4Ow6oh7ZjShrRqz4dreVFmms8iG/8AGNoEzGtEbb3x89VhdbP l28FPZY6k8z6Yz3sSfS03cOk34t2UsFNKVVTrIQU+gN2BZd9GdbWzhUvC9Z/XIfjKGWw CtPWEpMAPBFWJAtd3FUCtFzL+uLhrpd83xSfb2hz/Ao26ME7mTuFvpiKuX5+OCX/m9hJ lKVw== Original-Received: by 10.66.80.193 with SMTP id t1mr17393514pax.40.1343560699244; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.142.163.4 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 04:18:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87fw8be692.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlizX3Qx6aOupaTH9N2rMIQvMNGq10t0b7DjSvKIHfAEOrEfjl1fCX8EIIWtQYjHo3ZN6j7 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.160.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151954 Archived-At: --f46d042ef5113672a004c5f61a43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Miles Bader wrote: > > > The underlying premise is that there are no "desktop" apps > > available on this imagined system, just web apps and browser > > plugins. > > Is this a meaningful distinction? I mean, on a system where the > browser is the main "shell," and the browser makes sufficiently > powerful mechanisms available, isn't a web app / browser plugin an > "app" as far as the user can tell? > Yes, the plugin/extension is an app as far as the user is concerned and the distinction is mainly relevant to shape the discussion as this forum has been historically concerned with Emacs as a traditional desktop application. Emacs as an embeddable piece of code is interesting to my goal and is something I need to understand better. It could be part of the solution I am looking for. > > That IS a disaster, in terms of users' freedom. It pushes users > > into total dependence on servers. > > What if it's their server ...? > Miles, nice to see you "get it". -pmr --f46d042ef5113672a004c5f61a43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Miles Bader <miles= @gnu.org> wrote:
> =A0 =A0 The underlying premise is that there are no "desktop"= ; apps
> =A0 =A0 available on this imagined system, just web apps and browser > =A0 =A0 plugins.

Is this a meaningful distinction? =A0I mean, on a system where the browser is the main "shell," and the browser makes sufficiently powerful mechanisms available, isn't a web app / browser plugin an
"app" as far as the user can tell?

Yes, the plugin/extension is an app as far as the user is concerned a= nd the distinction is mainly relevant to shape the discussion as this forum= has been historically concerned with Emacs as a traditional desktop applic= ation. =A0Emacs as an embeddable piece of code is interesting to my goal an= d is something I need to understand better. =A0It could be part of the solu= tion I am looking for.
=A0
> That IS a disaster, in terms of users' freedom. =A0It pushes users=
> into total dependence on servers.

What if it's their server ...?

Miles, nice to see you "get it".

-pmr<= /div>

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