From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Michael Reilly Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Webapp/Plugin Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 14:59:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87394cpxm5.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <878ve3h90z.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b10cae5c8e76b04e81723a7 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381086007 18576 80.91.229.3 (6 Oct 2013 19:00:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 19:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: William Gardella , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alex_Benn=E9e?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 06 21:00:09 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VStYh-0001Em-J3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 21:00:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56132 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VStYg-0004Tn-BM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 15:00:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57409) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VStYZ-0004Td-BX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 15:00:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VStYU-0002Cc-HA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 14:59:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.220.41]:39135) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VStYU-0002CT-9B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 14:59:50 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj1so6391431pad.14 for ; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 11:59:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ILDCQSKzq+Rk7/F94+U5AqJioRMp7k1mBjYbErzWpjc=; b=RxaZ2T2bCeNxtEIM3jB9aat8U0XFU6D05mt/suYM0qxc/I0vao2dPmh7taz96bfZ5+ 69qd11Gh8NcL2mWPN0G3ro81nfAOiUdp/E6vzY4O2SGJzy2qF9l92Qu1lxMt4N12WYli PbZjsMutXUELazt4E6h8eQOfx92rAckJPwW73tMozMwB3+RW+ELmBLgo/+hiwxR4nT3/ /RHd7kliYIGL0d7JtouR4eFaajxhIVEDLYNCtKt03+PF7VFHlDTQyKEuofG+zKFUq2ng CM8WtY0fuRTmAB8HCamz9qxt/y07jkgWbiyu3PKwg5tAWYcu0WRqvDiJzWZWU1jB+O6K tmtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQljGbcnJ5N6EsQwimYI2Af4zxujwewFqjAsD4PX546rO9gX3FJxXi52iTvA80jLp57tuxD/ X-Received: by 10.68.129.201 with SMTP id ny9mr26822446pbb.70.1381085989096; Sun, 06 Oct 2013 11:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.70.14.67 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 11:59:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.220.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163923 Archived-At: --047d7b10cae5c8e76b04e81723a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > > > > Again, my goal is to have a seamless, robust Emacs experience when > > editing > > > or viewing files in a Web constrained device. > > This seems like an attempt to make a palliative > for something that really ought to be _fixed_. > That can have a bad effect, in the long term. > > So we need to study the issue. What is the "web constrained" > device? What is the constraint that it has, and what causes > that constraint? > You very well might be right. The particular device is a Chrome Pixel but the generic system is Chromium OS (and Chrome OS since it derives from Chromium OS). "Web constrained" means that only web applications run on the device as far as the User is concerned. My desire has been to have Emacs integrated into the Chromium OS as pretty much a file handler either directly (like Flash is in Chrome) or as a plug-in, like Flash is in Chromium. I know you are not a fan of Cloud based systems in general but, when used wisely, theses systems can save the User a ton of system administration and provide even more function. The key for acceptance to me has been the realization that there is a lot of cloud based computing where I could care less if the government has back doors or the provider does awful things and for those things where I care about privacy and integrity from the cloud, I can use my own servers, or servers that I trust to a very high degree. As a hacker, cloud based systems let me focus on hacking, not system administration and they let me use inexpensive computers (think ChromeBook or ChromeBox systems) interchangeably, no small benefit. Hope that helps, -pmr p.s. Richard, sorry for the fat-fingered empty message which preceded this one. :-) --047d7b10cae5c8e76b04e81723a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org<= /a>> wrote:
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consid= er
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies= ,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's= example.

=A0 =A0 > > Again, my goal is to have a seamless, robust Emacs experi= ence when
=A0 =A0 > editing
=A0 =A0 > > or viewing files in a Web constrained device.

This seems like an attempt to make a palliative
for something that really ought to be _fixed_.
That can have a bad effect, in the long term.

So we need to study the issue. =A0What is the "web constrained" device? =A0What is the constraint that it has, and what causes
that constraint?

You very well might be= right. =A0The particular device is a Chrome Pixel but the generic system i= s Chromium OS (and Chrome OS since it derives from Chromium OS). =A0 "= Web constrained" means that only web applications run on the device as= far as the User is concerned. =A0My desire has been to have Emacs integrat= ed into the Chromium OS as pretty much a file handler either directly (like= Flash is in Chrome) or as a plug-in, like Flash is in Chromium. =A0I know = you are not a fan of Cloud based systems in general but, when used wisely, = theses systems can save the User a ton of system administration and provide= even more function. =A0The key for acceptance to me has been the realizati= on that there is a lot of cloud based computing where I could care less if = the government has back doors or the provider does awful things and for tho= se things where I care about privacy and integrity from the cloud, I can us= e my own servers, or servers that I trust to a very high degree. =A0As a ha= cker, cloud based systems let me focus on hacking, not system administratio= n and they let me use inexpensive computers (think ChromeBook or ChromeBox = systems) interchangeably, no small benefit.

Hope that helps,

-pmr

p.s. Richard, sorry for the fat-fingered empty message whi= ch preceded this one. :-)
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