How about to organize popup-menu? Popup-menu does not concern width.  I
list my
special citizen (VC, iMenu, Buffer, Frame, Bookmark, and Recenf) in
popup-menu
via right click.  Problem is, more work, members are getting closer to menu
bar.

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary <
jean.christophe.helary@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:50, Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
> >> On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 07:27:12 -0400 Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>
> wrote:
> >> MO> Sarcasm aside, if you had ever flipped through the Emacs manual or
> >> MO> scrolled through a list of keybindings, you would have been aware
> of VC.
> >>
> >> I think menu-driven UI discovery is fun and an essential part of the GUI
> >> experience.
> >
> > I agree.  It's but one of many useful self-documenting facilities in
> > Emacs.  Unfortunately the original poster thinks the others are silly and
> > that the menu should spoon feed.
>
> Not all the "others". I think your sarcasm is not smart and not relevant
> to the discussion, I also think (and I wrote) that it *is* silly to
> consider equivalent the VC menu and the Games and some other menus in the
> context of a development text editor where version control is a core
> feature. I also consider not useful the a posteriori exemples of
> "discoverability" that pop up every time there is a question similar to the
> one I asked. Discoverability should not be confused with exploration.
>
> I do understand Eli's considerations about screen real estate though, even
> if I think with Ted and Oscar that VC should be considered a special
> citizen of the top menu. Now, if you have anything of interest to add to
> the discussion please do, otherwise I don't see much point going on.
>
> Jean-Christophe
>