From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hongyi Zhao Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: S-TAB, , and Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:09:30 +0800 Message-ID: References: <87lf3zmnpv.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zgseuovs.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36412"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs , Eric S Fraga To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 16 02:11:06 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mQeza-0009Ky-Mg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 02:11:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50840 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mQezY-0007dk-Ra for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:11:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35782) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mQeyJ-0007db-TM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:09:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::134]:36743) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mQeyG-0000Dd-Hx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:09:47 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id c8so11316988lfi.3 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 17:09:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=B8A2+L6IXALyBZyggse2oDWhlGP0Zwtb0bYjvGdg2gY=; b=gtW31svJWVRoTDT1DOmgtULCtOvhlFnChxuhg4JpxY67HxVgFwew2ClpcWFBWpc6bP /BjpJL46nm2z03pCSFEE0FcZ6VrQfXAJh5LCCsXJ/axQtl47xWPqUV7/GnNFpv0is2G4 CQCipZbX5CXss41VzflSNZQbnv3fdt0dnu7ZoFiQoPYgEfbh7DjR5Hwt5m47DvR3QBUD ERXVRohkM+1dmAy0unAEDcI7Rq+O4jk/aBWq4CzzoDMT0aYjDJFP6OwNV4N2HWTflnmU Bdpr5uV+QL0vvycligeLja43JUTouVSJOh66bU9i/rgwhSYKMWhBGctiBQ7IcVF+df7R WMpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=B8A2+L6IXALyBZyggse2oDWhlGP0Zwtb0bYjvGdg2gY=; b=iuDKWO6ZURADmwAbXz8B43oJLW+IZtJ/WQuLymK9VkjGerMIIn43Xb/lVqKPEBlu5Y AbthLNQ65tDAmm50zrXo/hDTMFihjJwknZ7wJyDeRRuJBw1QyQiywD1yDEuksgWNf2Bw MUtRBkfa3Ti8Jr2Kmtp3BWbNc8nBiTshVRcrz8QQDx6KvQr9F3FTNBSOF8wT/DeU9JyN QV+4gLlAoFfVbekVAODfIjMH7YV2Jh3qKFARUKVFdPKNVNVDWe0Lkff9yl5j+E5Lp+6H SMbJo11ctcUGXoAHteqp3GDIDDbYmkteggViJEXYbAKDkJf5B9g4GJYct1fUCayVLars Mnyw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532PEfphbIYy8qe/sZV1G6flFmRFfPNGYBGbprQJY5ooSfAJ3wRu whtzN4o5/H0bVpuFrCBuKgyooQpWacbzGLnhc5c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwgqkMkwXonAOHJIHd1OxhwRvkAMhzWalaLQN/sEIBa8i9x8rgzMjJGzJGLCRK8xklWiutvn+L11aKjT9ixo68= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3f9f:: with SMTP id x31mr2013230lfa.233.1631750982096; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 17:09:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::134; envelope-from=hongyi.zhao@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x134.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:133065 Archived-At: On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:17 AM Yuri Khan wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Sept 2021 at 19:39, Hongyi Zhao wrote: > > > But I still don't understand why my observed behavior is inconsistent > > with Emacswiki's description. > > Because Emacs does not receive key combinations directly from the > keyboard. It gets them from a platform-specific lower-level input > subsystem. For example, on X11, XKB translates Shift+Tab to Shift + a > special ISO_Left_Tab pseudo-keysym (see > /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pc). Emacs then translates that to a > event. Thank you for your explanation, and I confirmed your above comment: $ egrep -i Tab /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pc key { [ Tab, ISO_Left_Tab ] }; Best, HZ