From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Bobeck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: enable MELPA & Marmalade by defaul [was: mykie.el] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 23:26:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87bnzshlo5.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <20140103.200846.1574807089640559527.cokesboy@gmail.com> <87a9f8g22x.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <76f5b9cd-3452-4189-b3a0-30dc55a3ee55@default> <87wqic65kj.fsf@wanadoo.es> <874n5gfvjv.fsf@mac.com> <93a2d060-c7f8-4ce3-9bff-f7397be690ff@default> <874n5fhn1j.fsf@schjetne.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389155197 7500 80.91.229.3 (8 Jan 2014 04:26:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 04:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, gs@schjetne.se, Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 08 05:26:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0kj6-0004Bn-Mz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2014 05:26:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44909 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0kj6-0002I1-8H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 23:26:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50875) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0kj2-0002Ht-Ed for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 23:26:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0kj1-0006kN-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 23:26:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x242.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::242]:53445) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0kiz-0006iW-Di; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 23:26:37 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f66.google.com with SMTP id y10so219452wgg.9 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 20:26:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Hs2W/HOAonYryvqWOJyP8MieUFQKZUA0zdQ0Pok4T24=; b=pHIyju5wNmGQoOcCtF1oz6umzTekgxZpQLiXIIrgwPhtmizEXPxLPfTNb+zNUp1j2Q vA92lhGOIca9gd1e792j+dx1ieHw3mT3mRzRJFJeBDGmC3ydQo1Nobq7UfvGJN5/RMmU j6tsTmlWXrEx+tCRL3RS053ZXkCx1qExEOoHuQkGJ25W5PGh3ldvGQy+DQ+F8zwVr2Ji zf6Jee+77Js0sIJyQdoo6fUkXKW34E1hi0j+rQF+ChwQlC6kqlULADRFoU/r0dNVV7C1 7vAX3LpPiAJ813hQSf1eICVc/lzHNjwMafyzDQb6YxM4o66rF6E28x0gZs8/yX3D4E+C Qr+w== X-Received: by 10.194.173.163 with SMTP id bl3mr80242250wjc.10.1389155196151; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 20:26:36 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.227.216.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 20:26:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::242 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167707 Archived-At: When you talk to them, don't forget to mention the BSD 2-Clause License as an option: http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-2-Clause On 1/7/14, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > How many times did you pick a "random" package? Once? > What proportion of Marmalade packages have no license? > > A program with no license notice is not free software. > (See http://gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#NoLicense.) > It is very bad practice for a repository to permits nonfree programs. > Every repository should have a policy not to do that. > > > It seems like a reasonable assumption that the overwhelming mass is > > licensed under the GPL, but I absolutely do think a user cannot tell > > whether an unlabelled package is free or not, at least I can't, not > > without consulting the author. > > If a source file doesn't have a license notice then it is nonfree. > > Maybe this policy results from a misunderstanding on the part > of whoever runs Marmalade. We should try explaining the facts > about missing licenses and see if the maintainer of Marmalade > will change the policy to stop allowing them. Can someone put me > in touch with the right people? > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation > 51 Franklin St > Boston MA 02110 > USA > www.fsf.org www.gnu.org > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. > Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. > > >