From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." 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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::242 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242826 Archived-At: --0000000000007467db0598657787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > You could argue that the web-based issue trackers are more fancy. But > > this is the problem: they are web-based. > > It's not that they are more fancy (though they are), they are more > familiar to a lot of people. So they lower the barrier for > participation, in a lot of ways. Also because you can contribute/report a bug while you are in your browser just looking at an API makes it very tempting to do so. For example I have fixed lots of typos in various projects just because the "Edit in a fork" button was there while I browsed the code curiously. I would never even have looked at the code if I had to clone it first, let alone create a patch if it requires me to register to a mailing list. Also, there's always https://github.com/nlamirault/emacs-gitlab, but at the moment it looks like it has issues. Kind regards, Philippe --0000000000007467db0598657787 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> You could argue that the= web-based issue trackers are more fancy. But
> this is the problem: = they are web-based.

It's not that they are more fancy (though th= ey are), they are more
familiar to a lot of people. So they lower the ba= rrier for
participation, in a lot of ways.

Also because you can contribute/report a bug while you are in you= r browser just looking at an API makes it very tempting to do so.

For example I have fixed lots of typos in various projects = just because the "Edit in a fork" button was there while I browse= d the code curiously. I would never even have looked at the code if I had t= o clone it first, let alone create a patch if it requires me to register to= a mailing list.

Also, there's always=C2=A0https= ://github.com/nlamirault/emacs-gitlab, but at the moment it looks like = it has issues.

Kind regards,
Philippe
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