From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: tabulated-list sort icon is reversed Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 20:34:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83a7qbtc6l.fsf@gnu.org> <83bmaqq735.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000048c21b05724fd5bd" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1533062009 19335 195.159.176.226 (31 Jul 2018 18:33:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 31 20:33:25 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fkZSW-0004tw-PC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 20:33:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60215 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fkZUb-0006SF-VE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:35:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50582) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fkZTv-0006Rz-Gn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:34:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fkZTu-0002kw-J0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:34:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vk0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22f]:38160) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fkZTu-0002k9-Dr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:34:50 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id k82-v6so8021363vkd.5 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:34:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Wr7dVoxhotYvmR+BhsidTbqu9roCDYXLc45Y411h3sU=; b=ZZZoXXQDTWw1gEcoP5w4nLLau9JETRi4LIGeboiVvGshtqH7GllFerHX8WXyWIqozf r/e2xMeJnCPRLCPQojStf6G1P5exUscL3TUxVpR8iCMXKcXnk9p4ZkcwVcoZ/kSmoR5q kM6PDZzUHoqL1fL/ui/JJo9RZWSKi6yHo7bgt3GmymSjGJhDylEvRKO1sYSzx/W9TF5m MoX/ZTX0LsV6ciLlpwiPyapKggg6k8dJ4S7Lyg9dt+i8GgTaOuTQiJT+Kh5slrffMfkv aKT5w+ZYdTjW90PhgpRuM3XuTF8xQkx6ua95JbAaGsnTd9kLKNfSsAcook8do6Auv6Ik YiKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Wr7dVoxhotYvmR+BhsidTbqu9roCDYXLc45Y411h3sU=; b=FbZUQ+OF9oXvhrd6cafhivkyarBjJI+TdfZuBpprnFaYhIvYT6Hmgbg7JaA1u4grfC MDtU673dS+JzGTW+TilUGZK/KEpVorHyFQJQLo3B0/n8yImdaSjpkRgt+kldosq3B7v9 BLBZlywDik3Tw1/vwo3VWV3A4bjdBWQHhyela8dXKtqSo0Tn4iEqmRlIq5sCjV6C1rmc OIfrKAAX2oREBjJVmPwXjw6HaNDw6n1GzUECcvTsuVo3EFJKGpLw1AHdcCNDl1c1s04F pU/dkJIKYdPadY0GEgsJqoM+npnRt8KRGHaKCvWYYBRzG5kWppAYqDfl7Pu0R1xAl81e fRqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlFRITGwCr44jDFQ32/6TXHN2hBeRxD08Dv14TiQ5FYcwJM9ksYK jk2ld7c0VGTIRrh5tZBeC/M9tJOnj4X/aedQcFEY+tC5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpftMlnctLfR8j+LN4dNnxDQbXjKu/YrXHFvwHuR19jrgUsd8jq6/GJLR4fC+x+ZXFSt84y8+OG5DyhKTDfepjE= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:fccc:: with SMTP id a195-v6mr14000931vki.109.1533062089849; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:34:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:228057 Archived-At: --00000000000048c21b05724fd5bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > More seriously, I hate those arrows exactly because I never know what > they mean. I think it's just like the "split window > vertically/horizontally" issue: it's a bad UI and the right solution is > to choose neither of those options. There actually is an icon that is unambiguous: the "a-z" or "z-a" one: https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/905641/ascending_az_filters_sort_sorting_i= con https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/905640/descending_filter_sort_sorting_za_i= con I'd be happy with that or Cl=C3=A9ment's stacked layers' solution. Philippe --00000000000048c21b05724fd5bd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

More seriously, I hate those arrows exactly because = I never know what
they mean.=C2=A0 I think it's just like the "split window
vertically/horizontally" issue: it's a bad UI and the right soluti= on is
to choose neither of those options.

There a= ctually is an icon that is unambiguous: the "a-z" or "z-a&qu= ot; one:


I'd be happy with tha= t or Cl=C3=A9ment's stacked layers' solution.

<= div>Philippe

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