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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249472 Archived-At: > > For me (and I suspect others) it was like this: I see something I'd > > like to change in Emacs and I want to contribute. I take the time to > > write a patch and I want to send, then I'm told I cannot send it until > > I sign these papers. This annoys me, the papers looks pretty > > fear-based and everywhere else open source I just send a patch and I'm > > done. Those other open source entities don't seem to have legal > > problems. Also it's not just something where I sign online and click > > and I'm done, I have to print, sign, scan and send by email. > > Assigning the copyright for significant contributions is a basic > requirement of all main GNU projects: GCC, Binutils, glibc, GDB, Bash, > Make, Emacs, Coreutils, Grep, Guile, and many others. It doesn't > matter whether we feel good or bad about it, it doesn't matter whether > we like it or not. The FSF wants to protect its baby the GNU Project > against hostile litigation and infringements, and the FSF lawyers say > the assignment is necessary to be able to take the violating parties > to the court of law and have any standing there. Yes, I agree. > So it is futile to fight against this, as the FSF will not change its > position. Please keep in mind that we don't _own_ these projects, we > just contribute to them. We cannot dictate the project owners how to > manage their projects. We can only fork them and maintain the fork on > our own (not that I want to encourage anyone to fork Emacs). Or we > can sign that one-time paper. Or we can disagree and refrain from > contributing. But trying to change FSF's mind is a waste of breath. I take your word from it, but I still think it's valuable to whine every now & then to let them know we don't like this situation. Now maybe we'd whine to them directly instead of here, that I'd agree. Somehow I expect my whining to be reported to them which is not very reasonable.