From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Philippe Vaucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Namespaces - summary, conclusion Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 14:42:58 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="79999"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 04 14:51:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVaZO-000Khc-N6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 14:51:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55988 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVaZN-0000O3-H0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 08:51:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57768) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVaRT-0003Ag-Lk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 08:43:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::135]:42070) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVaRS-0008QC-Qe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 08:43:27 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id j14so9588250lfg.9 for ; Mon, 04 May 2020 05:43:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O34rO9d386IrPTCo/U6N7Ov86VR+G7wVVWOQpMtyGIY=; b=rVbV6Yu6rR3Gx0RGxGh1LNG0DVDW32JgEUBt7Q7n7qm7vyIF98b40pZuFur6LD7MjH tf9KlE3J4rxFtPhyxLEE8Tc6vbQkBsmIaQSOpTWUAVnMotV65IF1FRU6/Lbjp7FjK9Ml 6Sc5dleaoVGcjUKbxESbQ34N7nc1oNf9sfzZlQlVagNqCtYllDkWBvA35GmkMTRHXILI 81h8BjpI+Vksc/zL0F7ggh8VmaKi30NQ4mIeBlCkRd80us+dAOT2Pd+pTF2DsEUsuDt9 U4+gaeoMfkfPl4oe3zArzOR5D4CKsvGBHejbXzdvKbmhIseyZG5kVavhX5Er8lzrta2u wZ9A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O34rO9d386IrPTCo/U6N7Ov86VR+G7wVVWOQpMtyGIY=; b=JNI1bWQAnPac9ujx7qSPiAyIVvPdnmrfBV/EF5BmycSvoztt9LVm+1/GhyGapYS99b fsIxf2/YXOh1DTfc9k09Tt7nJ+Ulm7kNKbmzMrbbThPRbCCjmL3kkCRkCMaBQdeDzwbs TM7XkQnh3S4je2zJn9PuT8jh5tqVoKS9WDV4uoijONeM6u05QGOqMWuhcXdnvSTlCsOT J05UcJhaOiWiALvHzS60kYmu/KFDf3r5zpBYE7CQ7TRKJZDZa22moScH159WeJsY7qt6 rgdHF+0sk5DE68+NShmZZS+cCV8KfcIDtr7+rg0uUiSsHv4iNHA15lJ2sbASIjhPtXV8 e5tQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZ89QsysGS+PbS/6UhOrS0SgjC3zdceNXgSiNVxkkJLX755obIg QHhSauOoEFny7d06k38tXYDwHMdMnZ6LStIC6qAuD+c6OUg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLcN58aTc+8pzWx5CMwxgNZH4zV3054tynEINeKk8kARdwugmVv2o5DRwS1U0VQZlv9S8UgJKQRtVvLGz2VGnI= X-Received: by 2002:a19:f719:: with SMTP id z25mr4037885lfe.76.1588596204984; Mon, 04 May 2020 05:43:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::135; envelope-from=philippe.vaucher@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x135.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248812 Archived-At: > > Given this is more or less the position held by Alan, Eli, Richard, > > Drew and Jo=C3=A3o I think the chances of seeing new aliases is close t= o 0. > > This is not my conclusion. I've seen several calls to move away from > from discussing in the abstract to discuss specific, concrete > examples. I think this is a good idea, since IMHO the abstract > discussion is likely exhausted. > > There is always the chance that some of the proposals will be voted > down. But also consider that some who have disagreed with you in the > abstract might be more convinced by specific, concrete proposals. So far the string- proposal got shot down entirely. The regexp one was initially a no-go from Alan but I then Richard kinda liked it and proposed adaptations. @Stefan Monnier: I see that you talked about `multibyte-string-p` already (and iirc that didn't went well. You talked earlier about `process-`, maybe you'd like to propose some changes there? I mean I'm willing to propose concrete changes but if it's not obvious for string- and regexp- why would it be for other topics? Let's try another topic just to see: rename-file -> file-rename delete-file -> file-delete copy-file -> file-copy expand-file-name -> file-expand-name Do you think people will be ok with that? Philippe