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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249152 Archived-At: > > It is not terrible lot of work for people to deal with those issues, > > but I wouldn't assume a simple program can. > > The better option is to stop requiring copyright paperwork. > It is harmful to the Emacs project. Do copyright paperwork really protect Emacs from anything anyway? I never saw any problems in other open source/free/libre softwares which didn't do that. It's for sure a big hurdle to new contributors. (I'm not saying they are useless, I just don't see the point pragmatically. Don't get upset please, just explain it to me :-)