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From: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>,
	Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: lldb support
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:44:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGK7Mr5Hietnh09X9igsg8D0VfviFZU8V_5g9NX87Twb+TQyMg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1c50bi-0003OQ-6b@fencepost.gnu.org>

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>
> Your argument disregards the important fact that LLDB is part
> of a project that aims to replace many important GNU packages,
> and its success is the GNU Project's loss.
>

I don't think the aim is to replace GNU packages, but to give everyone
better tools. Without the GNU packages none of it would have been possible.

If people find the alternative better it should be intencive to improve the
GNU packages... not to try to find ways of preventing them to use the
alternative (which is the wrong answer in my honest opinion, it's a sort of
vendor lockin).

You have to understand that these sort of tactics simply don't work: none
of these users will switch to GDB just because Emacs does not support the
alternative. They will simply write the code in emacs and debug it outside
emacs, so the result is actually the opposite of what you want (the users
using GNU tools all the time).



> I think that that is not important to you, but it is very
> important for the GNU Project.
>

I don't think that promoting the GNU project should be more important than
having Emacs support free software, especially for something most Emacs
user would expect it to do.

I understand that GNU draws the line about commercial software tho, and I
understand the conflict of interests in this affair. It's not easy.

Philippe

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-11  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-07 20:05 lldb support Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-07 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-08  3:08   ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-08 13:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-08 19:58       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-09  0:54     ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-09  1:17       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-09  3:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-10  0:24         ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-10  0:26           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-11  1:26             ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-11  4:24               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-11  4:46               ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-11-12  0:42                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-11  9:44               ` Philippe Vaucher [this message]
2016-11-11 17:11                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-11 17:42                 ` Stefan Huchler
2016-11-11 17:47                 ` John Wiegley
2016-11-12  0:59                   ` Stefan Huchler
2016-11-12 22:30                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-14 21:58                     ` John Wiegley
2016-11-16  4:13                       ` Joseph Mingrone
2016-11-16 14:27                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-25 20:43                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-11 19:01               ` Sam Steingold
2016-11-12  1:02                 ` Stefan Huchler
2016-11-12 22:25                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-12  0:54               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-12 22:30                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-10  1:51           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-10  1:57           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-10  3:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-10  9:33               ` Toon Claes
2016-11-10 15:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-10 16:27                   ` Toon Claes
2016-11-10 17:19                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-12  7:04                       ` Toon Claes
2016-11-12  7:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-04 21:35                       ` Toon Claes
2016-11-10 13:58               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-10 16:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-09  1:37       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-09  3:06       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-10  0:23         ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-10  1:18           ` John Mastro

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