From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thibaut Verron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:22:34 +0200 Message-ID: References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <875z76p4pg.fsf@posteo.net> Reply-To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21649"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "Philip K." , emacs-devel To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 20 10:23:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kUmvw-0005YZ-Vt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:23:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37326 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUmvw-0001UO-1O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 04:23:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42944) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUmuv-0008Vw-DG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 04:22:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb33.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33]:34398) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUmut-0004pX-Me; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 04:22:49 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb33.google.com with SMTP id o70so1213555ybc.1; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:22:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=fzLtmj67EV/0FT5r2Pc3k88/LrV/k3AcarNjmBG7jPQ=; b=SbU4jYrdR+Gq2RG87LceN9to2KuEbnHXxMW8MgJMAnEbLK9DmKXUvQkjiBRp/BsI83 RDKu4Bivhj6F9+Hqj1pZ03JpZfyejp4L5RbJmG5CVFxnA2rKawK8EIREvwCfTO3vajzP qBl28X8aPJMAGhZECtkLRfmsFHQYqebH+ULEGVYG6KEXpHd9j/s6+pYVHB1LkCwGWopI qoGA5+ywzvRtYEarOFP0dQd4vj9MxEVCctCk1LKRaJT0VBReuHhnfRZjUAOpy40U0TRR NFU2FGTEy0qPpiKTkdHbXAdZfGBQylH5NS+/eKnqcXzVbDJ1fULxv/7yRgVw9DO15UjO O4vw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fzLtmj67EV/0FT5r2Pc3k88/LrV/k3AcarNjmBG7jPQ=; b=gqr93jH5pSdvz5tkKZzZROGkERP6t8xFeAkWdmLmm7S/kXGnczs/PKo/WMtyX684hQ uiN4hqEwGQDybP+zWjxzAer6Ts3RdS1vVUbG421COKgn806CG0S5XK6mUVLdLnEOt3MN tVfHZJVmlyf70SY0gSBwlnRMQhD7kF9IEuYQlNsQi6YGzYhozUiIFZtJTb6+YhrMIQNp 45s4SDTL5l/XdHzsGc82HfIrIYxBmjzXWW/Is8GF9WdT2Doqou9YT+j6Lh2Pg9aP2RnK lStt9hoJLfA/aM3B+Uok5UgAW+fAbR8c4Qpth3WTsWEgnEs7Kg4AFU6FpQN4CXROGATW j1wQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530QMXDvLhzkooRh7WDBTIzgtuvXZfOM77QP5QF09czXqeu96DAs akC2pubm6bkxTK6vuFZsXeTAcgp5LY5J2X+8ugB0PnxZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy+c8BSFp78bmo1rjAZEGEDROOuf5oYNDpLMDJq3ozyxSS9a0EgNOg1j9BwCXIQUXmg0Ql9TAH+ZXIwG7UTEEw= X-Received: by 2002:a25:842:: with SMTP id 63mr2304067ybi.311.1603182165238; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:22:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33; envelope-from=thibaut.verron@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb33.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258172 Archived-At: > This means that the results will be biased in two ways: > > * In favor of people who use the forums he posted it in. It has been (and can be) posted in many places, including presently emacs-devel. > * Against people who won't run nonfree software. The survey can be completed without running nonfree software, by sending an e-mail. > The results may be of use anyway, but they will not describe a > represent sample of all Emacs users. I agree, but that's because of difficulties inherent to polling, not because of a bias that could have been easily avoided.