From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thibaut Verron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:22:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20200916083658.GL93185@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <710b5726-1473-4d89-97dd-1853a8e04b6c@default> Reply-To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6821"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Alan Third , Andrea Corallo , "Alfred M. Szmidt" , Drew Adams , emacs-devel To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 17:23:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIZHM-0001gJ-TS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:23:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57384 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIZHL-0005cv-VK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:23:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60860) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIZGa-0004k3-2t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:22:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::431]:42117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIZGY-00061V-Jp; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:22:39 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id c18so7329148wrm.9; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=2184ns11tmL4iGoXopkjCm73VsSfLEk6OwwZD4IVgjA=; b=iMdNMfhWfGxdZpdFSyI4dzvAaR+DjnZgNqa2MM3old8ktu1A1f9GyBQj3YuaCgqTRr gCHGPVnHdU1XE9+0boSXQ3XnNGsB/0yyBCibmcs7oDJjrRUjXHwFaztDr2GHpklcNJqc ROpCOqGJcJ0jbXSGiK/jYJE5h+9r5ET0QpzjTwdoAFlhdDYdvS5E5nqUMw5bKUrUmoGO iqhkAyidv4CXGSjf8SUvoQ0QZ3PPaqlz+YPS3AfOuefL6rLSYL3zUkP+YPdw/gTIBihQ R5HFp3XgPnDciSyQbPS2WND4j1nM3z9A3wY2ySnon+KNVLKY//Tpm2sAcyhSxKT09NZM hG9w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2184ns11tmL4iGoXopkjCm73VsSfLEk6OwwZD4IVgjA=; b=BEHb+1eFoIcg8UB5izLG5QZsdQF9qAPrvDINv2aAy/iat0ZgXw7pPsUSduBZmM9U/j lT3ATf88++UAVt7DJPLlVNZmELYFx9FAnSivsw38u5EkOwuuLbCChka6XzKG+6ojHIkh QyY18W1XZgeW3NmFHr1U9M0urxJkYuFhwu+0x9TdJRcqoryojDXNenrZNddwKPsAh1IK 0GKcCM2wSg2za/D+qj5l2uSlqrKl2FnFTsFXuVpEt5kxnGzABUKqOFtnpa3oA0imYYjx PrjF3TNBN3PWw4npKH7KLM9QN3S/XbEVHbh2dalJ4cs5EMG241lYqLKUqmOYcEAKpvIk wVXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533EqqAqfec48yV3fo6fV/NSGaZjC8jaf8tQpVwcp7b0zjopFvsZ dIvatGI6d7lhFOey9SA10Q7YmgF2k/aeZtRU604= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxDAa4jzcr3dNGVSg8AWrotVizTYQP43DYdwnuEvGablG34Rn8oux8K4iPZ3j9cjofEkxXBpwhmfg5mCaWsfFA= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4581:: with SMTP id p1mr28120608wrq.345.1600269754820; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:22:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::431; envelope-from=thibaut.verron@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x431.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255893 Archived-At: > And then you will see threads on Reddit & elswhere asking when it is > appropriate to switch to "true Emacs mode"; should I learn this and then > switch to Emacs original etc; just as there already are such threads > considerinv Evil & Emacs interaction models. > > Newbie-mode and numacs are bad names, in my opinion. I tend to agree. Some (most?) of the suggested options do not need to be grown out of. Some are even already activated by default.