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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256128 Archived-At: Le ven. 18 sept. 2020 =C3=A0 20:26, Alfred M. Szmidt a =C3=A9= crit : > > > On first start, the wizard would offer the option to create an em= pty > > .emacs and never bother you again. > > > > The issue is that it would bother you on first start, at all. > > On balance this a good thing, IMO. And if you disagree, it will only > bother you once. > > No, it will bother _each_ and _every_ time I start a new Emacs where I > have not done so previously. That is a fairly common situation, both > for new users, but also for experienced users who are the majority of > Emacs users. > > Lets not make Emacs annoying to use, OK? I, for one, would be happy to have a one-click option to set a bunch of reasonable defaults whenever I start Emacs on a new device.