From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thibaut Verron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 21:11:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <20201016172916.GF11061@protected.rcdrun.com> Reply-To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15136"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Marcel Ventosa , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 21:15:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVCZ-0003oy-UR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 21:15:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55580 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTVCY-00086e-RL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:15:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33234) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTV91-0006I7-RQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:12:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb32.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32]:45426) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTV8w-0005tL-2h; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb32.google.com with SMTP id s89so2750349ybi.12; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=jtmobKG6aTKwgCxA3qFycq4EnMiFU1ndEIpy+y/4xPo=; b=tyk8h4Yc5rU3KJZwRy936aQYC0wWOu5g/XFcEUO+qmrnOohryGfIgloXmorisSHQjw m8ULVA5IhOdrN5hM3KtnjLbEMl+DSl7udHlIZE7nv07/ZtFWFyNeShEfSTcZO6gV4PbG WXFUAVFAO1b3po33gmgfYGgW0Jv55yT3zysC+XUPy/60WYmt7GVUIwDQRlpmjQfMe4VJ QKr1S/tbrS/3cFCnBKhxRjDw/07tl3lgCtwBAqENiwwBLa5fCP7A/UMTy53FBnMfMIgZ dpO5zaUaVmnv95xe4/67ifx3yx9mh9kpkgAVUrT4Unkd4b5bIAiwKkPtgruLCAKP+eAT UTXw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jtmobKG6aTKwgCxA3qFycq4EnMiFU1ndEIpy+y/4xPo=; b=i4Jo5JOCDdMhDSwVd6p+XAS9npa4aoiqCZMAvL1sRtxfA6AkC0V/9TUWuB2KKUhTcu 2jY2t5nt4Bnga5HZEeRAUwF58ENN733WwO/j+A5byK45pHglF57i6/AQpFxZaC6tZc4d Rl7EuqCelCxeZuUSzZbGC4yf2FQo39kZR/ysTzI/FZEda4seheViRsh8u+N/3nrIPtp1 cuzIPT93NUyUduenvK62pJr9wyz3ZRRI2oR7vioeFFC6N68URqRv9vSjy1RyHpX7pBa8 SnIwUyCCVchOKj+2jJPIRtyUvj4jNRL9wKKCpV+V1Z99DOsUIyCu0yevCbXnAJx0hXu0 1Kpw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531tQohhe7D38yxZ5yiNMpr144rCB88MPPO4AzHIbnXcQg0XbjVL lBDkFkWqmE1Nm0Ee1z4sxFAeCYYUekOAHnL9EO0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy18/hYYD5arq0dpUjWdCTvT8hXq4ZAQSuwPQXRZr8yUMVig6fyeSibup/Aep2/yzLG5aWN1XcY+cmKooUygrI= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4cc9:: with SMTP id z192mr6966769yba.337.1602875516738; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:11:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20201016172916.GF11061@protected.rcdrun.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32; envelope-from=thibaut.verron@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb32.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257853 Archived-At: > The Reddit page is hidden propaganda, they said "they contacted > emacs-devel but got no response" which is not true. Where exactly? The exact statement I find is this: > From there I got a lot of feedback around the set of questions itself but also how to distribute it. You can find the whole thread on the archives under "Proposal for an Emacs User Survey". That's quite far from "I got no response", so I'm curious as to which message you refer to. > > > I'm not saying the obfuscation is purposeful either in the case of > > `MELPA' imitating the name of the existing `GNU ELPA', or of Adrien > > calling his survey *The* Emacs User survey", but what I do think is that > > all non-GNU initiatives that affect perception of GNU, particularly the > > ones that clearly do not share the GNU philosophy (the survey referred > > to `GNU/Linux' as `Linux', for example), would seem much more > > transparent if they were very clearly and visibly labeled as > > unofficial. > > If it would be some belief or only philosophy, fine, but it is not. It > is technical term. > > Obviously people do not call "Linux" for Android operating system, > neither they call Android GNU because it is not GNU. Yet it runs on > Linux kernel. Also Replicant operating system is not called > GNU/Replicant as it is not GNU, so it is Replicant, operating system > running in Linux kernel. > > Linux when published by Linus Torvalds in beginning, there is where he > said that you need GNU for operating system, Linux is only kernel. How > more clearer than that can it be? > > Now when somebody says: Archlinux that is derived name, it can be > named of operating system. By the way, Archlinux is promoting > proprietary software without differences, so I cannot recommend it. > > Jean >