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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255639 Archived-At: Le lun. 14 sept. 2020 =C3=A0 13:37, a =C3=A9crit : > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:03:19AM +0200, Thibaut Verron wrote: > > Le lun. 14 sept. 2020 =C3=A0 10:29, a =C3=A9crit : > > [...] > > > > [click-and-drag] > > [...] > > > I might have had bad luck or small palms, but I could never get complex= tap > > combos to work reliably with palm detection. > > All was an one-finger operation. No palms involved (I know my limitations > when challenging the Gods ;-) Yes, sorry, I was unclear. My trouble is usually to get the palm detection = to correctly detect my palm, and not incorrectly detect my finger(s) -- right-= click is usually emulated by a two-finger tap, to make things more difficult. > Oh, sorry. No, this was a "generic you". And... Okay, no problem, I just wanted to be sure. :) > Rather trying to raise awareness that many of the patterns we take for > granted are just the result of some training, which might be totally > different for someone else. > > Of course, one might argue that we all should be trained the same way > (it happens with other things too, like language (verbal and non-verbal), > so why not with computers?). Opinions on that might differ. For me this > is dystopia, especially in the current context, where roughly ten big > corps dominate that space. I agree. There is probably a fair middle to strike there, and a lot has happened alr= eady in that direction. I don't know if it is something which can (let alone should) be forced by us or the head-of-UI at big-tech, or rather something which happe= ns naturally -- very much like a language, as you point out.