From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thibaut Verron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255928 Archived-At: > > Such a name would convey the impression that those settings are for > > beginners > > Which they are. I disagree. We are not talking about cua-mode or undo-only/redo-only here. We are talking about full Emacs features which users usually expect but need to discover. Those settings are for everybody, except those who know that they don't want them. > > and that experts prefer not to use them. > > How do you get this impression? The name is not > emacs-beginner-but-not-expert-mode or anything to that effect. And modern-mode is not modern-and-not-completely-archaic-mode. But in both cases, by choosing this name, we would state that it is the best qualificative we could find for all those settings, and to me it seems to imply that those settings are not for experts (resp. not-completely-archaic). I don't think that I'm the only one with this understanding, see for example the earlier post suggesting the name newbie-mode (synonymous to beginner-mode for me) with the idea that users would eventually grow out of this mode, like training wheels. I don't consider any of the suggested settings to be training wheels.