From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Thibaut Verron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251940 Archived-At: --000000000000c1c06605a767707f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > What I think is missing is not the description of a specific protocol, > but a higher-level spec of basic capabilities needed for the > collaborative editing support in Emacs. Is this available anywhere? > If not, could someone please write it up? > > For example, one thing that strikes me is why "collaboration" via a > dVCS is not a good solution, or at least the basis of a solution? Am > I missing something? > Collaborative editors usually show modifications done by other users in real time. I don't know how major conflicts are resolved. How would you emulate this with a VCS? Commit-push-pull with various --force flags, on a timer run every second? Thibaut --000000000000c1c06605a767707f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What I think is missing is not the description of a spec= ific protocol,
but a higher-level spec of basic capabilities needed for the
collaborative editing support in Emacs.=C2=A0 Is this available anywhere? If not, could someone please write it up?

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dVCS is not a good solution, or at least the basis of a solution?=C2=A0 Am<= br> I missing something?

Collaborative edit= ors usually show modifications done by other users in real time. I don'= t know how major conflicts=C2=A0are resolved.

How = would you emulate this with a VCS? Commit-push-pull with various --force fl= ags, on a timer run every second?=C2=A0

Thibaut
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