From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: James Harkins Subject: Re: New exporter, beamer confusion Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 09:32:19 +0800 Message-ID: References: <20130204063905.GA23614@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> <87wqun5037.fsf@gmail.com> <6207.1360048864@alphaville> <87fw1ashw5.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehgtmd0q.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: jamshark70@dewdrop-world.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f9d0eca22504d518699c Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52121) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3GLe-000368-7p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:32:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3GLc-0007J0-UA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:32:22 -0500 Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com ([209.85.214.177]:41694) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3GLc-0007Iv-Mq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:32:20 -0500 Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id wc18so2207401obb.36 for ; Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:32:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ehgtmd0q.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Nicolas Goaziou Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --e89a8fb1f9d0eca22504d518699c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Feb 7, 2013 3:57 AM, "Nicolas Goaziou" wrote: > > Btw, *who* preferred \alert? (Orwell, Politics and the English Language= : > > "Never use the passive [voice] where you can use the active.") > > Obviously, me, as the author of the back-end. Org offers only one slot > for "strong emphasis". I had to choose between bold and alert, and so > I did. Ok, and as long as I can configure it, no problem. Aside Re: Orwell, and now veering well off-topic, his point about passive voice is that it hides human agency and, in the worst cases, suggests that something simply "is objectively so" rather than "one or more people made it so, for reasons that may be subjective," or deflects responsibility =E0 = la "mistakes were made." Although the relationship to the present topic is only tangential, Orwell's caution is at least as relevant today as it was when he wrote it in 1946. I find for myself that following his advice [6 or 7 rules of thumb at the end of his essay] sounds a little alarm bell when my thinking is getting sloppy -- so I think it bears repeating. (Apologies to the scientific authors here, who "are trained" [oops!] to erase themselves from reports on their experimental procedures by using passive voice consistently...) In fact, it wasn't obvious to me whether it was simply your preference, or if an expert or authority on slideshow style recommends \alert over \textbf. In the latter case, I would want to know who and why, so I could read and then make up my own mind. > > "Reasonably" for me would mean tweaking some configuration options and > > perhaps changing a few minor details of the markup. If you have to change > > the org document's structure (e.g., converting headlines to lists), it > > isn't backward compatible. > > Then, by this definition, it isn't, indeed. Sure, and that's ok. My frustration stemmed from expecting more compatibility than there actually is. After adjusting my expectations, I can figure out how to make it work for me. hjh --e89a8fb1f9d0eca22504d518699c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Feb 7, 2013 3:57 AM, "Nicolas Goaziou" <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Btw, *who* preferred \alert? (Orwell, Politics and the English La= nguage:
> > "Never use the passive [voice] where you can use the active.= ")
>
> Obviously, me, as the author of the back-end. Org offers only one slot=
> for "strong emphasis". I had to choose between bold and aler= t, and so
> I did.

Ok, and as long as I can configure it, no problem.

Aside Re: Orwell, and now veering well off-topic, his point = about passive voice is that it hides human agency and, in the worst cases, = suggests that something simply "is objectively so" rather than &q= uot;one or more people made it so, for reasons that may be subjective,"= ; or deflects responsibility =E0 la "mistakes were made." Althoug= h the relationship to the present topic is only tangential, Orwell's ca= ution is at least as relevant today as it was when he wrote it in 1946. I f= ind for myself that following his advice [6 or 7 rules of thumb at the end = of his essay] sounds a little alarm bell when my thinking is getting sloppy= -- so I think it bears repeating. (Apologies to the scientific authors her= e, who "are trained" [oops!] to erase themselves from reports on = their experimental procedures by using passive voice consistently...)

In fact, it wasn't obvious to me whether it was simply y= our preference, or if an expert or authority on slideshow style recommends = \alert over \textbf. In the latter case, I would want to know who and why, = so I could read and then make up my own mind.

> > "Reasonably" for me would mean tweaking = some configuration options and
> > perhaps changing a few minor details of the markup. If you have t= o change
> > the org document's structure (e.g., converting headlines to l= ists), it
> > isn't backward compatible.
>
> Then, by this definition, it isn't, indeed.

Sure, and that's ok. My frustration stemmed from expecti= ng more compatibility than there actually is. After adjusting my expectatio= ns, I can figure out how to make it work for me.

hjh

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