From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Barry OReilly Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Continued persecution of Evil doers Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:16:10 -0500 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d5fba3bd8a904f04885f6 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390094172 28285 80.91.229.3 (19 Jan 2014 01:16:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:16:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 19 02:16:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gzq-0000It-IH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2014 02:16:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44779 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gzq-0000pT-4u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:16:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45255) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gzl-0000pO-Tr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:16:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gzk-0006LI-7Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:16:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f]:60456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4gzk-0006L5-1I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 20:16:12 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id wn1so292295obc.20 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:16:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=thQKBr+BKcQJXQN+QameUuRD7xjDqeyn1CQjc5a5pPY=; b=szZFR4kD6zce+/xR/nep2ooNQ3jgEvxsSH7VG7RYygs8Jw55D8n02GB2iGsgQNGz+J OG8z+u2EpZkzQSfpdJJb6k+6FI0tmM6QRt7Dg5r0bUWQ9g3i8xjBqx661cyG1V/g4Wbj Fq5XxfFDNmq74xcSBXqfoCdeBFwA03EItXSVoIVC5k8SgZ1rVQUrzeL9vSADfZe0Wp0S m/lTy3IufTkq4VqVXF4TaA9CprPQ18nKloH+hbxxJXW8nULtpDZp1VCnVFSkTLvvjh50 iUkL1vnhGm4QOoSPxbTUeSRDWPQ4jxvssZyDa7VgaXos5ft6RpVe8bQhtndC2OVmGSfX /nQg== X-Received: by 10.60.124.138 with SMTP id mi10mr27376oeb.57.1390094170433; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:16:10 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.76.21.84 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:16:10 -0800 (PST) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168708 Archived-At: --047d7b5d5fba3bd8a904f04885f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Sivaram Neelakantan writes: > > No offence to the CUA/EVIL developers but don't these 2 modes > > get in the way of Emacs mastery as David says. I can > > understand someone asking for the vi . (dot command) > > functionality equivalent in Emacs but why humour them with > > modes that are at cross purposes to Emacs proficiency? > After 12+ years of kosher Emacs use, some months ago I started > to use Evil and my editing proficiency (not to mention my RSSI) > improved noticeably. > We all agree that not everything that Emacs does is the best > for everybody. I'll go further and say that some Emacs things > are quite bad. Default keybindings, for instance. Absolutely right. I would have never come to Emacs if not for Evil, because the default keybindings would not have kept me sane long enough to discover how splendid Emacs is as a platform for hacking. --047d7b5d5fba3bd8a904f04885f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Sivaram Neelakantan <address@hidden> writes:
> > No offence to the CUA/EVIL developers but don't these 2 = modes
> > get in the way of Emacs mastery as David says.=A0 I can<= br> > > understand someone asking for the vi . (dot command)
> >= functionality equivalent in Emacs but why humour them with
> > mo= des that are at cross purposes to Emacs proficiency?

> After 12+ = years of kosher Emacs use, some months ago I started
> to use Evil and my editing proficiency (not to mention my RSSI)
>= ; improved noticeably.

> We all agree that not everything that Em= acs does is the best
> for everybody. I'll go further and say tha= t some Emacs things
> are quite bad.=A0 Default keybindings, for instance.

Absolutely= right. I would have never come to Emacs if not for
Evil, because the de= fault keybindings would not have kept me sane
long enough to discover ho= w splendid Emacs is as a platform for
hacking.

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