From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Y. E." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40457: 26.3; A little Help from `list-packages'? 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Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 11:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 40457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 40457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B40457.162453241015292 (code B ref 40457); Thu, 24 Jun 2021 11:01:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 40457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2021 11:00:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42519 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lwN5d-0003yZ-O9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 07:00:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io1-f52.google.com ([209.85.166.52]:33782) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lwN5b-0003wy-5h for 40457@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 07:00:08 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io1-f52.google.com with SMTP id a6so7509269ioe.0 for <40457@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:00:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ucpTHRHGQbXM3yZlqEJ1utdITLXASO+UoZ6PPJhHE3w=; b=BRGQxdkVagFhag/EKWQKei/MiWS+pIJXoinvseR5Ud0eJIYYNntSMWAE7fnP1bzcO3 6DgX+d4VDUNxeHOoR/rH8e2D92D/+jhhalT0Mo9xM05Yq1Av7X6K2vA2LY3OzOEHiMNI FD4ZUxUigKiwRwmcm9BzcgeimV6TRTdyV5UPYnTZTeB2W1mMhC4ni2Qr2eavnPnce6aS tbQOlBFKA+0Td4emAoONiZZ6XCdBsMlfypLWE/YC2KRJKWV4RWv+41YbdCuXWeB7+JDc 7Ewd4iskoVVZuLbmKteitrvFbkL/2FbzyoocfUQ/mwnEgvA11sUJYm2PWADpkVwY/0iF T1yA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ucpTHRHGQbXM3yZlqEJ1utdITLXASO+UoZ6PPJhHE3w=; b=J+leTQw4kfBTXr+keymjHfkJdI7nANiY+ffpHHm0nNffsFRh+SrvksiHN0FPJmkKo8 cJatZpa3B8wS2B0iiEwv3WdHJEmw9DtGmPKBXM06GGzb4nluYT6Ql9+NVFq6GayDxYif A7Zzq99iz/dp6oDtJw07Rkl6PmKWIT/TRvXwbcxzzq5T23WJmClvruOf6ntcdtyt8uWV 6v688c6UKTHrZejiE0vL681UD4w6+zSj0Fn1YiQXh+gQqfqX1GG1hRR6Nkb+l8GO7Ta7 6modpSXBqfHgmostA/gxQtsl5r6nTANJq1TchXNUiLo/QwDXCN/4vf2oJG6OMrBh+Olc gkZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5303XM3IY0QxZDa75lq3PNdiZ1cxr9xoYJdcoBX/q0Q0/fQGthNR sFmTcjwfTjowQIk+udXa3aatUpscWL9Xk1UK8q8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzoseZOE6vKmUEc1GmP50sI7X8JjvFYDhBKTTns7Ub2hZRLzbbQF2BXGA1Hmw+tObUtTgFnm55rdBjBNYHYsJQ= X-Received: by 2002:a02:820f:: with SMTP id o15mr3977118jag.139.1624532401463; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 04:00:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87eed4y1am.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:208923 Archived-At: > (emacs) `Package Menu' helps. But the buffer itself (and its menu and > help commands) should provide better help. So maybe link from the package-mode *Help* to (emacs) `Package Menu'? (That's what I first thought Tomas meant.) > Most of the rest of the bug report is about whether the batch-oriented > command set of package.el is appropriate. I think marking and then > `x'-executing packages is a pretty odd interface myself -- I don't think > the user commonly works in that batch-oriented way, so having this be a > two step process is pretty weird. For me, it felt weird only before reading *Help* of the package-mode. After that, it felt quite in accordance with the rest of Emacs behavior. [But that depends of course on whether a user has already met the e*x*ecute behavior and without considering inconsistencies in Emacs behavior when e*x*ecuting on not-marked lines.] I think with new keystrokes there's a risk to confuse (especially a new user) even more: for example, using I (uppercase-i) and D per one package install/delete would make already inconsistent U even more inconsistent. Maybe also change `package-menu-quick-help' output: it could be improved by mentioning *marking*, not only the action.