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charset="UTF-8" Emacs should use ncurses for the text-mode frames, but the default is > to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all. > > So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems. The problem is "Emacs should" and "So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems". The second is obviously true. The first is the difference between "Emacs should" and "Emacs does". If there were no difference there would be no bugs. Plus Ubuntu is about closing bug reports - not about actually fixing the bugs. I have "found" at least one bug which is over 5 years old. The bug reports have been closed. But the bug is still there! Robert Pearson On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:34 PM GNU bug Tracking System < help-debbugs@gnu.org> wrote: > Your bug report > > #40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 > > which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. > > The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. > If you require more details, please reply to 40762@debbugs.gnu.org. > > -- > 40762: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=40762 > GNU Bug Tracking System > Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Stefan Kangas > To: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 40762-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Robert Pearson > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:33:24 -0700 > Subject: Re: bug#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Robert Pearson > >> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400 > >> > >> No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried > to go through the tutorial. The User > >> Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard for emacs and > all other programs. The UI makes > >> emacs useless. > > > > Did you start Emacs in text mode? Otherwise, I cannot understand how > > could it screw up your keyboard. > > > >> (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by > going to the 21st century for the UI.) > > > > Emacs should use ncurses for the text-mode frames, but the default is > > to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all. > > > > So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems. > > More information was requested, but none was given within 16 weeks, so > I'm closing this bug. If this is still an issue, please reply to this > email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the > bug report. > > Best regards, > Stefan Kangas > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Robert Pearson > To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400 > Subject: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04 > I want to learn Lisp. Most of the responses are the use Emacs with the > Slime package. > So installed the latest Gnu Emac. My OS is Ubuntu MATE 18.04 (Later > versions have broken so much working code that I had to go back to 18.04). > > No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to > go through the tutorial. The User Interface is so outdated that it screwed > up my keyboard for emacs and all other programs. The UI makes emacs useless. > > Is there a version of emacs that uses Tk/Tcl and actually works on Ubuntu > MATE 18.04 with an AMD x86 64-bit processor? > > I have checked out two commercial products; but not only are they way > over-priced, but they are 32-bit versions. > > (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed by > going to the 21st century for the UI.) > > Robert Pearson > --0000000000008219b805adc16e33 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Emacs should use ncurses for the t=
ext-mode frames, but the default is
> to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all.
>
> So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems.

The problem is "Emacs should" and "So =
I don't think I understand the nature of your problems".
The second is obviously true. The first is the difference between "= Emacs should" and "Emacs does". If there were no difference= there would be no bugs. Plus Ubuntu is about closing bug reports - not abo= ut actually fixing the bugs. I have "found" at least one bug whic= h is over 5 years old. The bug reports have been closed. But the bug is sti= ll there!
Robert Pearson

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:34 PM G= NU bug Tracking System <help-deb= bugs@gnu.org> wrote:
Your bug report

#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04

which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed.

The explanation is attached below, along with your original report.
If you require more details, please reply to 40762@debbugs.gnu.org.

--
40762: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?= bug=3D40762
GNU Bug Tracking System
Contact help-debb= ugs@gnu.org with problems



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Stefan Ka= ngas <stefan@marx= ist.se>
To:=C2=A0Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc:=C2=A040762-done@debbugs.gnu.org, R= obert Pearson <r= .pearson@ieee.org>
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:3= 3:24 -0700
Subject:=C2=A0Re: bug#40762: UI screws up Ubuntu 18.04
Eli= Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.o= rg> writes:

>> From: Robert Pearson <r.pearson@ieee.org>
>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400
>>
>> No trouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tr= ied to go through the tutorial. The User
>> Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my keyboard for emacs = and all other programs. The UI makes
>> emacs useless.
>
> Did you start Emacs in text mode?=C2=A0 Otherwise, I cannot understand= how
> could it screw up your keyboard.
>
>> (I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed= by going to the 21st century for the UI.)
>
> Emacs should use ncurses for the text-mode frames, but the default is<= br> > to start a GUI frame, where curses is not relevant at all.
>
> So I don't think I understand the nature of your problems.

More information was requested, but none was given within 16 weeks, so
I'm closing this bug.=C2=A0 If this is still an issue, please reply to = this
email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen= the
bug report.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Robert Pe= arson <r.pearson= @ieee.org>
To:=C2=A0bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Cc:=C2=A0
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:= =C2=A0Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:01:50 -0400
Subject:=C2=A0UI screws up Ubuntu = 18.04
I want to learn Lisp. Most of the responses are t= he use Emacs with the Slime package.
So installed the latest=C2=A0Gnu E= mac. My OS is Ubuntu MATE 18.04 (Later versions have broken so much working= code that I had to go back to 18.04).=C2=A0

No tr= ouble downloading and installing. Then I started emacs and tried to go thro= ugh the tutorial. The User Interface is so outdated that it screwed up my k= eyboard for emacs and all other programs. The UI makes emacs useless.
=

Is there a version of emacs that uses Tk/Tcl and actual= ly works on Ubuntu MATE 18.04 with an AMD x86 64-bit processor?
<= br>
I have checked=C2=A0out two commercial products; but not only= are they way over-priced, but they are 32-bit versions.

(I believe the problem with GNU emacs is curses and could be fixed b= y going to the 21st century for the UI.)

Robert Pe= arson
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