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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A1s_Simonyi?= , Nicolas Goaziou Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1618753085; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=b8geOA2S2a+pGVyDqBrfq4afBx2anwAZJwM0oqDk8DM=; b=LlDHawU84BPbzkCHMdsBsO3ovuPT+ZwXSDLgbBYiReKs/fe6OOkty7O/b87x6U4BdtJTjM nWPRLvgWWRSM36KgKrN0aN9ISkLFGHniidbPZwYw/zi7LVrzFUEaj5V+1h7H+8i8fw5rQl EgJe5R0iYF3xPpn75KDM3dDTrLF9DHoueaYlDjbvP14SUCeD5zu1Cc+Q+gdOp5iY2TldgE /Pks6VkX2srkSSTDfgxBjKWzsj/IPaMmT+de7ypidmySuPNElUimC9XC2Qa/Sg99hzGBN0 zorHguxUfc82amiREFPDJR2igbXOnL9PIiSgCw8ZhLxc5oUOotL2xSzitR9t/w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1618753085; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=t42KAwE3NiHZj1VXEZZEySSJtlXRghR0efCCYyRLEmR8vMdO4qHBqcVXM8ARwprHb9q6OZ Nfy6j+Eij5ac0/yzJeu5mJvvxo2Xjdl54Viaun3f/Sq4piDzYGoM6xwWNz+AE8NvFZeySP +QA+WRFccPHFFZX8OOMhwFg/Udf7GF7vsIdZTV1sOSWhamYgFvUT5e/EqCEP7mf6b+edNY culYi1gjowEonWS1axjluP6VtnLpH1qCB94qp34NqubsRgqn86Pbb6QxvLywZcvHRrbeJz VSH3VPZrxRh6fw/UBzJJz/2vkETfdUsU4xeKXEiQmb0MtSUAMNCmuUPie4jmXg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=W5Uxy55A; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.16 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=W5Uxy55A; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 12F7C2268A X-Spam-Score: 0.16 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: xr4VoFepPrEc On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 9:31 AM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > Nicolas Goaziou writes: > > > In my mind, "opening" leads to the bibliography reference, not to the > > original document. IIUC, in this situation, the location does not matter > > much, does it? > > > > In any case, Org has no clue about the "location" of the citation. It > > can provide the suffix associated to the citation key, but it is up to > > the citation processor to extract page information out of it. If this is > > desirable, we need to provide the full citation object instead of the > > key. I don't know if it is worth the trouble. > > From my experience using org-ref for citations, going to the > bibliography reference is rarely useful. Most of time, I want to jump to > the document I am citing (or even page in the document). > > I think that full citation object should be worth passing to the > citation backend. I agree. FWIW, this is how the pandoc API describes this point, which I believe is consistent with Nicolas' meaning of "citation objects"? "a list of Citations (each of which may have multiple CitationItems)." Bruce