From: "Alan E. Davis" <lngndvs@gmail.com>
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org
Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:22:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF-1L2R9qLCANfO6DC0DrAWPUyGFXdMrThnTrhv-M_5qCXC3qA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF-1L2QfwTNpRG5yNJanzGcRe2Dx9APY9x6od0zadatW_JibJA@mail.gmail.com>
I failed to mention in my previous message that the powers that be in the
underfunded district where I worked were fully on board with the
proprietary tools that they had been given in colleges and high schools.
After a few years, I held a workshop and several teachers were able to
install Ubuntu, some of whom may be working with GNU/Linux today.
Alan
On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Alan E. Davis <lngndvs@gmail.com> wrote:
> I worked as a teacher in a school in a third world context, where the
> district was severely underfunded. I held out as much as I could. I had
> to use proprietary systems, eventually, to report attendance and grades, so
> I installed Virtual Box. It was a long and hard battle: printer drivers
> were not up to snuff; networking was difficult compared to the M$
> approach. Back in the day---I started using GNU/Linux in the pre-1.0
> kernel days---many things did not work smoothly, but the Linux
> Documentation Project was a breath of fresh air, and a beam of light
> enlightened the scene. (As an aside, I note with misgivings that the LDP
> is not well maintained---but I am partially responsible for this, because I
> didn't work on documentation as perhaps I ought to have. Then again, the
> state of the "Linux Desktop" is such that other supports are available and
> many of the hands on configuration and administration tasks are either
> automatic or much simpler and more intuitive.).
>
> I would suggest, in your context, that you do not have to abandon free
> software, nor, I sense, are you advised to refuse to use the infrastructure
> that has been given. I use emacs for much, I really like org-mode a lot
> and even thought I am not able to take advantage of many of the more
> sophisticated tools of org-mode. You may find, like many before you, that
> the tools of free and open source software many streamline your workflow,
> and give you an edge, even while you are using the ordained tools for your
> specific disciplinary work. When people see that the free and open tools
> work for you, gradually you may make inroads, and not at the expense of
> your career.
>
> I believe this approach has been behind much of the achieved success of
> Free and Open Source software and operating systems.
>
> I am rooting for you.
>
> Alan Davis
>
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 8:31 AM, <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
>
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>> On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 08:50:32AM -0500, Kevin Buchs wrote:
>> > As a student, you simply need to go along with your supervisor's
>> > recommendations. You are not in a position to dictate the terms.
>>
>> Nobody talks about dictating anything. Some supervisors are more
>> enlightened than other, so trying to talk to them doesn't seem
>> wrong.
>>
>> > Using the
>> > proprietary tools will not hurt you, unless you need to buy your own.
>>
>> With that I disagree strongly: free is not primarily about price
>> (more so in the OP's case, as he stated clearly). Reducing "free"
>> to price totally misses the point, IMO.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > So, you need to adjust your attitude. It may be that you are presenting
>> the
>> > issue of principles - I prefer free, you prefer proprietary, but that is
>> > not really the true issue. Maybe you don't know the proprietary tools
>> and
>> > don't want to learn them or feel you can't learn them. Choice of tools
>> you
>> > use is no reason to switch graduate programs.
>>
>> This whole paragraph comes across as somewhat... condescending.
>>
>> > This is entirely a matter of getting along with other people, not being
>> > selfish, etc. These are life skills we are talking about.
>>
>> Definitely. And part of this getting along is trying to negotiate
>> what matters to oneself and to others. I do agree that an intransigent
>> attitude isn't helpful, but Edgar didn't show something like that.
>>
>> Fostering free software is exactly about "not being selfish".
>>
>> Cheers
>> - -- tomás
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>
>
> --
> [Fill in the blanks]
>
> The use of corrupt manipulations and blatant rhetorical ploys ...---
> outright lying, flagwaving, personal attacks, setting up phony
> alternatives, misdirection, jargon-mongering, evading key issues, feigning
> disinterested objectivity, willful misunderstanding of other points of
> view---suggests that ... lacks both credibility and evidence.
>
> ---- Edward Tufte (in context of making presentations)
>
>
>
--
[Fill in the blanks]
The use of corrupt manipulations and blatant rhetorical ploys ...---
outright lying, flagwaving, personal attacks, setting up phony
alternatives, misdirection, jargon-mongering, evading key issues, feigning
disinterested objectivity, willful misunderstanding of other points of
view---suggests that ... lacks both credibility and evidence.
---- Edward Tufte (in context of making presentations)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-18 16:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-18 0:28 General advice beyond Org edgar
2018-05-18 1:52 ` Peter Neilson
2018-05-18 2:44 ` [O] " Bob Newell
2018-05-18 7:32 ` tomas
2018-05-18 7:12 ` S. Champailler
2018-05-18 8:10 ` edgar
2018-05-18 8:20 ` tomas
2018-05-18 11:44 ` Diego Zamboni
2018-05-18 14:21 ` Aaron Ecay
2018-05-18 22:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-18 8:15 ` tomas
2018-05-18 10:54 ` Yuri Khan
2018-05-18 11:10 ` S. Champailler
2018-05-18 13:50 ` Kevin Buchs
2018-05-18 15:31 ` tomas
2018-05-18 16:19 ` Alan E. Davis
2018-05-18 16:22 ` Alan E. Davis [this message]
2018-05-18 16:32 ` Jason Yamada-Hanff
2018-05-18 19:09 ` Devin Prater
2018-05-18 13:50 ` hymie!
2018-05-19 7:18 ` [O] " Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-19 7:18 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-18 19:57 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-05-19 7:17 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-20 1:24 ` Samuel Wales
2018-05-20 4:56 ` Exporting ODT to Org [was Re: General advice beyond Org] edgar
2018-05-20 8:08 ` General advice beyond Org tomas
2018-06-05 19:52 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-06-06 8:58 ` Marco
2018-06-15 16:24 ` Grant Rettke
[not found] <mailman.127.1526629283.1290.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-05-18 8:41 ` edgar
2018-05-21 20:10 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-05-22 7:10 ` tomas
2018-05-22 16:58 ` Bob Newell
2018-05-22 18:05 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-05-22 19:15 ` tomas
[not found] <mailman.5.1526603344.1292.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-05-18 23:27 ` Gene
2018-05-19 7:06 ` tomas
[not found] ` <mailman.67.1526713619.1292.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-05-27 1:02 ` Gene
2018-05-27 7:27 ` tomas
2018-05-19 22:31 ` James K. Lowden
[not found] <mailman.15.1526832003.3852.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-05-20 19:29 ` edgar
2018-05-21 3:39 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2018-05-21 16:26 ` James K. Lowden
2018-05-21 18:07 ` Bob Newell
2018-05-21 19:23 ` Marcin Borkowski
[not found] <mailman.19.1527004804.3124.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-05-23 3:44 ` edgar
2018-05-23 19:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-26 4:14 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-26 19:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-27 6:54 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-27 17:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-27 18:19 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-28 19:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-05-31 9:50 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
[not found] ` <mailman.1113.1528121846.1292.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-06-04 14:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-06-04 14:47 ` Emanuel Berg
2018-05-27 18:32 ` edgar
2018-05-23 3:50 ` edgar
[not found] <mailman.626.1526915916.1290.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-05-23 4:04 ` edgar
2018-05-26 4:01 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-26 7:08 ` edgar
[not found] <mailman.79.1527004820.3124.emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
2018-05-23 4:15 ` edgar
[not found] <mailman.893.1527022341.1290.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-05-23 4:23 ` edgar
2018-05-23 4:27 ` edgar
2018-05-23 4:30 ` edgar
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