Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Vaidheeswaran C]

Are there are any Official pre-built binaries for Mac?  If there are
no official binaries, are there any "near"-official binaries?

How do you go about installing and configuring Emacs on Mac?  Any
common Mac specific installations or customizations.  Please be as
brief, correct and complete as possible.

ps: I have used Emacs on Debian and Windows.  I have NEVER used Mac
(and thus Emacs on Mac).  So stuff like Mac OS X 10.6, GNUstep, Cocoa,
Aquamacs, Ports etc. seem alike to me.

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Guido Van Hoecke]

http://emacsformacosx.com/

HTH,

Guido

On 23 May 2015 at 12:52, Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com
> wrote:

>
> Are there are any Official pre-built binaries for Mac?  If there are
> no official binaries, are there any "near"-official binaries?
>
> How do you go about installing and configuring Emacs on Mac?  Any
> common Mac specific installations or customizations.  Please be as
> brief, correct and complete as possible.
>
> ps: I have used Emacs on Debian and Windows.  I have NEVER used Mac
> (and thus Emacs on Mac).  So stuff like Mac OS X 10.6, GNUstep, Cocoa,
> Aquamacs, Ports etc. seem alike to me.
>
>
>

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Vaidheeswaran C]

On Saturday 23 May 2015 04:55 PM, Guido Van Hoecke wrote:
> http://emacsformacosx.com/

Is that the only one or are there any more?  For example, I hear about
cocoa and acquamacs etc.  What are these?

> 
> HTH,
> 
> Guido
> 
> On 23 May 2015 at 12:52, Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com
>> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Are there are any Official pre-built binaries for Mac?  If there are
>> no official binaries, are there any "near"-official binaries?
>>
>> How do you go about installing and configuring Emacs on Mac?  Any
>> common Mac specific installations or customizations.  Please be as
>> brief, correct and complete as possible.
>>
>> ps: I have used Emacs on Debian and Windows.  I have NEVER used Mac
>> (and thus Emacs on Mac).  So stuff like Mac OS X 10.6, GNUstep, Cocoa,
>> Aquamacs, Ports etc. seem alike to me.
>>
>>
>>
> 

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Emanuel Berg]

Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com>
writes:

> Is that the only one or are there any more?
> For example, I hear about cocoa and acquamacs etc.
> What are these?

When I used Mac OS X, it was called Finder, and
I didn't see any Emacs back then, but nevertheless
today I was able to use the EmacsWiki to find this
page

    http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS

which mentions Cocoa and Aquamacs and also provides
the links

    http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AquamacsEmacs
    http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BuildingAquamacs
    http://aquamacs.org

and many others.

Hacking in the accursed Apple world... isn't that
a contradiction in terms?

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Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Jude DaShiell]

aquaemacs is the emacs you use if your mac runs intel chips.  The cocoaemacs may be what you use if your mac runs powerpc.


-- 


On Sat, 23 May 2015, Emanuel Berg wrote:

> Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com>
> writes:
>
>> Is that the only one or are there any more?
>> For example, I hear about cocoa and acquamacs etc.
>> What are these?
>
> When I used Mac OS X, it was called Finder, and
> I didn't see any Emacs back then, but nevertheless
> today I was able to use the EmacsWiki to find this
> page
>
>    http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS
>
> which mentions Cocoa and Aquamacs and also provides
> the links
>
>    http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AquamacsEmacs
>    http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BuildingAquamacs
>    http://aquamacs.org
>
> and many others.
>
> Hacking in the accursed Apple world... isn't that
> a contradiction in terms?
>
>

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Stefan Monnier]

> aquaemacs is the emacs you use if your mac runs intel chips.  The cocoaemacs
> may be what you use if your mac runs powerpc.

No.


        Stefan

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Jude DaShiell]

aquaemacs was what I had running on my mac mini a few years ago after having asked about this in one of the mac user groups.


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On Sat, 23 May 2015, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> aquaemacs is the emacs you use if your mac runs intel chips.  The cocoaemacs
>> may be what you use if your mac runs powerpc.
>
> No.
>
>
>        Stefan
>
>
>

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Stefan Monnier]

> aquaemacs was what I had running on my mac mini a few years ago after having
> asked about this in one of the mac user groups.

Yes, like all Emacs variants, Aquamacs does work on Intel-based Macs.

Not sure which Emacs variant still supports a Mac OS X version that runs
under PowerPC (the issue is mostly one of OS, not one of underlying
processor).  If you have a PowerPC-based Mac, IIUC, you're either
running Mac OS X ≤ 10.5.8 (i.e. a 6 years old OS), or you've upgraded to
GNU/Linux (in which case you can use Emacs with its usual X11 GUI).


        Stefan

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Vaidheeswaran C]

On Saturday 23 May 2015 06:57 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> When I used Mac OS X, it was called Finder, and
> I didn't see any Emacs back then, but nevertheless
> today I was able to use the EmacsWiki to find this
> page
> 
>     http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS
> 
> which mentions Cocoa and Aquamacs and also provides
> the links
> 
>     http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AquamacsEmacs
>     http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BuildingAquamacs
>     http://aquamacs.org
> 
> and many others.

The problem with Emacswiki is I have no idea how reliable the
information is.  I was hoping to get specific answers and
recommendations (rather than a link).

I don't have Mac and I am asking for this information so that I can
document it in the Emacs Primer.  I will be happy if someone writes a
detailed reply that would help us all.

RE: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Drew Adams]

> >     http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS
> > which mentions Cocoa and Aquamacs and also provides
> > the links
> >     http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AquamacsEmacs
> >     http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BuildingAquamacs
> >     http://aquamacs.org
> > and many others.
> 
> The problem with Emacswiki is I have no idea how reliable
> the information is.

And how much of an idea do you get about how reliable the
info provided here is? ;-)

In that case I guess you at least have an email address to
look at ;-), and at least the email answers are recent,
even if nothing guarantees that the info they contain is
recent or accurate.  OK, recent email.

IMO, though nothing guarantees that any particular info on
EmacsWiki is accurate, helpful, or recent, and though info on
the wiki is variable in all of those respects, it can be
quite helpful (just as can be this list, emacs.stackexchange,
and other socially-maintained-&-corrected resources).

EmacsWiki is often a good place to start and a good
entrypoint to other resources.

A good approach in this case might have been to start your
research there, and then pose here any specific "verification"
questions you might have about some of the info you gathered
there.

IOW, you could have started by not just throwing out the
general question here but doing exactly what Emanuel did to
try to help you: see what EmacsWiki tells you.

Or as is often said in reply to general "fish-for-me" questions
on Stack*: Show what research you've done so far, what you've
tried ("show your code").

> The problem with Emacswiki is I have no idea how reliable
> the information is.

That describes a problem with your idea, not with EmacsWiki.
You have no idea.  OK.  How will you get an idea?

My advice is to start with EmacsWiki, where others like you
have spent time contributing from their experience.  And then
look beyond, verifying and supplementing wiki info as needed.
(And then circle back and update the wiki, if appropriate.)

> I was hoping to get specific answers and recommendations
> (rather than a link).

And hopefully you will.  But specific does not imply good.

And is your aversion to a link based only on not knowing
whether its info is reliable?  Or is it perhaps based partly
on not wanting to spend the effort of looking up the info
yourself?

Do you just want someone else to do the reading and
experimenting, and then provide you with a one-line answer?
If so, then how should we understand your complaint about
having "no idea how reliable the information is"?

> I don't have Mac and I am asking for this information so that I can
> document it in the Emacs Primer.  I will be happy if someone writes
> a detailed reply that would help us all.

Hm.  Talk about getting reliable and recent information!

Will you be updating your book often, to ensure that such
info is always accurate and helpful?  How will you check
the accuracy (without a Mac)?  Will you be asking this list
periodically to provide you with detailed replies that will
help us all?  How will anyone know "how reliable the
information is" that you provide in your book?

EmacsWiki has some info that is out of date, sure.  But at
least interested people do update the content there, and
typically based on first-hand experience.  And anyone can
do so.

At the end of the day, that seems more likely to provide
up-to-date info than relying on a particular author/editor
to update a book whenever s?he can do so and feels like it.

EmacsWiki is what it is.  It is *one* resource, and a
pretty good one overall.  And you and anyone else can
contribute to it and improve it.

And I hope you do, putting the up-to-date info you obtain
here and elsewhere on the wiki.  The wiki is only as good
and as reliable as you make it.

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Vaidheeswaran C]

On Saturday 23 May 2015 09:14 PM, Drew Adams wrote:
>>>     http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS
>>> which mentions Cocoa and Aquamacs and also provides
>>> the links
>>>     http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AquamacsEmacs
>>>     http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BuildingAquamacs
>>>     http://aquamacs.org
>>> and many others.
>>
>> The problem with Emacswiki is I have no idea how reliable
>> the information is.

IMHO, Emacswiki is a good and useful resource.  I thank all folks who
maintain and contribute to it.

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Francis Belliveau]

Sorry I am a little late to this discussion.  I want to clear up a small point regarding Cocoa.

Cocoa is the name given to the latest OSX programming API.  Its predecessor was called Carbon.  During the transition from Carbon-based OSX 8/9 there were some compatibility issues with some GUI applications.
Likely the references to Cocoa had to do with a claim to being fully compliant with the latest Apple API.


Fran


> On May 23, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Saturday 23 May 2015 06:57 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>> When I used Mac OS X, it was called Finder, and
>> I didn't see any Emacs back then, but nevertheless
>> today I was able to use the EmacsWiki to find this
>> page
>> 
>>    http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForMacOS
>> 
>> which mentions Cocoa and Aquamacs and also provides
>> the links
>> 
>>    http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AquamacsEmacs
>>    http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BuildingAquamacs
>>    http://aquamacs.org
>> 
>> and many others.
> 
> The problem with Emacswiki is I have no idea how reliable the
> information is.  I was hoping to get specific answers and
> recommendations (rather than a link).
> 
> I don't have Mac and I am asking for this information so that I can
> document it in the Emacs Primer.  I will be happy if someone writes a
> detailed reply that would help us all.
> 
> 

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Vaidheeswaran C]

On Tuesday 26 May 2015 06:40 AM, Francis Belliveau wrote:


> Cocoa is the name given to the latest OSX programming API.  Its
> predecessor was called Carbon.  During the transition from
> Carbon-based OSX 8/9 there were some compatibility issues with some
> GUI applications.  Likely the references to Cocoa had to do with a
> claim to being fully compliant with the latest Apple API.

Thanks for this information.

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Vaidheeswaran C]

On Tuesday 26 May 2015 06:40 AM, Francis Belliveau wrote:

> Cocoa is the name given to the latest OSX programming API.  Its
> predecessor was called Carbon.  During the transition from
> Carbon-based OSX 8/9 there were some compatibility issues with some
> GUI applications.  Likely the references to Cocoa had to do with a
> claim to being fully compliant with the latest Apple API.

Thanks for this information.

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Emanuel Berg]

Francis Belliveau <f.belliveau@comcast.net> writes:

> During the transition from Carbon-based OSX 8/9
> there were some compatibility issues with some GUI
> applications.

Ha ha, I haven't been this surprised since I heard the
Pope is Catholic...

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Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com> writes:

> The problem with Emacswiki is I have no idea how reliable the
> information is.  I was hoping to get specific answers and
> recommendations (rather than a link).

Indeed. You should update that page, to indicate
http://www.emacsformacosx.com which is the good distribution of GNU
emacs for MacOSX.

> I don't have Mac and I am asking for this information so that I can
> document it in the Emacs Primer.  I will be happy if someone writes a
> detailed reply that would help us all.

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Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Vaidheeswaran C]

On Saturday 23 May 2015 08:40 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
> Indeed. You should update that page, to indicate
> http://www.emacsformacosx.com which is the good distribution of GNU
> emacs for MacOSX.

Is anyone using...ftp://ftp.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp/emacs/ (YAMAMOTO
Mitsuharu).  See for example
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-05/msg00476.html.

Which distribution do users prefer in general (and on what versions of
Mac) and Why would one choose one distribution over the other?

Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Emanuel Berg]

"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
writes:

> Indeed. You should update that page, to indicate
> http://www.emacsformacosx.com which is the good
> distribution of GNU emacs for MacOSX.

There is (almost) that link already and both takes you
to the same place:

    http://emacsformacosx.com

Perhaps you just put it there?

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Re: Emacs Primer: Emacs on Mac

[Emanuel Berg]

Vaidheeswaran C <vaidheeswaran.chinnaraju@gmail.com>
writes:

> The problem with Emacswiki is I have no idea how
> reliable the information is. I was hoping to get
> specific answers and recommendations (rather than
> a link).

You mentioned two projects specifically and those are
both described there, including (in the case of
Aquamacs) a link to the official home page.

Regarding how reliable information is it is a matter of
developing a base of knowledge and experience, which
will relate to and help you process new information.
If the information makes sense, it is most often true.

While, as a user, that hunch is nothing to be ashamed
of and can take you far, as a writer of manuals and
non-fiction - is it enough? I don't think so.

> I don't have Mac and I am asking for this
> information so that I can document it in the Emacs
> Primer. I will be happy if someone writes a detailed
> reply that would help us all.

I think the person who is capable of doing that is the
person who should document it as well. Perhaps he can
even use the post as documentation, or documentation
as the post...

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