From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Filipe Silva Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: In support of Jonas Bernoulli's Magit (was: comparing code on different branches) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 13:16:14 -0300 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113ccaf0ebef370553f8e667" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499703479 3567 195.159.176.226 (10 Jul 2017 16:17:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 16:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, Yuri Khan , Jean-Christophe Helary , Richard Stallman , Emacs developers To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 10 18:17:52 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dUbNf-0000PI-Pj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:17:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41847 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUbNj-0001qy-BT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:17:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42903) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUbND-0001ch-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:17:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUbNB-0003YL-UV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:17:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com ([209.85.218.48]:32829) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUbN7-0003VB-9I; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:17:17 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id p188so78857516oia.0; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 09:17:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AWOHZzFYyTDWpVFs9MPVbE8svIq0Ko9KNDoDJUEmXa4=; b=SXcVLsAlXvfIH7AjYlq9K3ije1xKb1fstnvOEhv6hsG+vNEYWc54EzIycX9G4JTxTe 9AqjrWj5dGd7DwYR5m3yiQnBJfdeG+U84uq/qcHvbQUN77ovnleAXMZQ2+UHLYuTacje MUiiv8PlJ9XfH58vUSK497+hw8EVoJUNoxueiEG4/qNTZ2Vf5vqi0gRowrzTi5sHN9Ll /zAwUICsK1LI3b8SKNzMjZf05mXIl0QC6uei+RifFs/HMi0Tuv6e22jOgIQV5MQ23ymi R3WOpqecOoOwIG8zFv0vGZlVLOL4/nVsf6ce0fiBh+HnLQq7gNeVRzh+sZN2Z/kh99tf zqFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AWOHZzFYyTDWpVFs9MPVbE8svIq0Ko9KNDoDJUEmXa4=; b=Pvg97BUwzg/e/ymFCloPk6Pg61cFf5xCkDQXGmvxHvlBgg82RrgwfLnNFKok8IJ3rm pqiEqNbXBexDNWYCgsNOTqRW+LIJoZRAbXQ5DyhoVcowTO4vK5zCBMAFC/Ktlu3C8Qm3 z2LXafkS3JkLqBqYoMrPvrnxQaBczDbqHIwbqR4Zfe5OBNxkl/AA1LQJlpi5MH/6cuVe 4zPTMchqYBc5NcGJ/icVb9egE11r8Y28tddMWxypHcpyKOCUqHSCPD9JINfK1qIDpX0x GUxjBhGdO9117RJBNX7tWeM1yO596Azm6Uc7pA98QFnENCoof8ZbhAw64xg8BAR1b0Ef HGNw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112NvVwjSK06J7t0Z4BGWTMZ0xYUAhv1hzmHUqIwO7ifBg4LVctc YjsCUQppFcyN7HQGNPkoEJZ24UL4vg== X-Received: by 10.202.182.67 with SMTP id g64mr9934529oif.37.1499703374768; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 09:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.182.85.69 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 09:16:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.218.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216416 Archived-At: --001a113ccaf0ebef370553f8e667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =E2=80=8BI support this, could not agree more. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:29 PM, John Yates wrote: > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > >> I wish someone would write a package comparable to Magit that >> we could get legal papers for and include it in Emacs. >> > > =E2=80=8BRichard, > > I cannot let this go without commenting. Do you understand what > you are advocating? > > In Jonas you have someone who is doing just about everything > right per your notion of software freedom including applying gpl v3. > He has made significant personal sacrifices to provide emacs with > a package that is unique among editors and IDEs. It could emerge > as one of those oh-so-elusive creatures: a true killer app for the > emacs platform. > > Jonas has and continues to deliver a steady stream of features, > bug fixes and refinements. Magit is clearly a work of love that is > wonderfully supported. Jonas has exhibited admirable project > leadership skill and has published a detailed, credible map to > the future: > > https://github.com/magit/magit/projects/1 > > Some of us care enough about developers like Jonas and the > value he is delivering to emacs that we have responded to his > plea for financial support via PayPal, Patreon or Bountysource. > > Were Jonas' effort invested in a non-GNU project, or at least not > one so dear to you heart as emacs, I suspect that you would > applaud his work. > > Instead you seem to advocate undercutting Jonas' efforts with > no good reason to believe that you would get a replacement of > anywhere near the same quality. Further, were you actually to > mount such a competing effort I am confident that long before it > ever delivered any useful amount of functionality you, the emacs > community, and the gnu effort would harvest significant bad press. > > Sometimes community might be more important than copyright > assignment. Please reconsider you request. > > /john > > --001a113ccaf0ebef370553f8e667 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=E2=80=8BI support this, could not agree more.= =C2=A0

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:29 PM, John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org> wrote:
I wish someone would write a package com= parable to Magit that
we could get legal papers for and include it in Emacs.

=E2=80=8BRichard,

I cannot let this= go without commenting.=C2=A0 Do you understand what
you are advoca= ting?

In Jonas you have someone who is doing just abou= t everything
right per your notion of software freedom including ap= plying gpl v3.
He has made significant personal sacrifices to provi= de emacs with
a package that is unique among editors and IDEs.=C2= =A0 It could emerge
as one of those oh-so-elusive creatures: a true= killer app for the
emacs platform.

Jonas has = and continues to deliver a steady stream of features,
bug fixes and= refinements.=C2=A0 Magit is clearly a work of love that is
wonderf= ully supported.=C2=A0 Jonas has exhibited admirable project
the fut= ure:

=C2=A0 https://github.com/magit/magit/projects/1=

Some of us care enough about developers li= ke Jonas and the
value he is delivering to emacs that we have respo= nded to his
plea for financial support via PayPal, Patreon or Bount= ysource.

Were Jonas' effort invested in a non-GNU = project, or at least not
one so dear to you heart as emacs, I suspe= ct that you would
applaud his work.

Instead yo= u seem to advocate undercutting Jonas' efforts with
no good rea= son to believe that you would get a replacement of
anywhere near th= e same quality.=C2=A0 Further, were you actually to
mount such a co= mpeting effort I am confident that long before it
ever delivered an= y useful amount of functionality you, the emacs
community, and the = gnu effort would harvest significant bad press.

Someti= mes community might be more important than copyright
assignment.=C2= =A0 Please reconsider you request.

/john

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